The third and final debate between GOP nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nom Hillary Clinton just wrapped at in Las Vegas. The 90-minute affair simulcast on national TV and the web was the most policy-heavy of the massively watched previous two debates, with topics ranging from the Supreme Court to immigration to tax police. But it ended like it started — with the candidates not shaking hands as is the custom in U.S. politics.
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace did the best he could keeping the 90-minute debate from going off the rails from the beginning as the candidates landed their final (live TV) blows before the November 8 election.
Here’s how we called the action (and there was lots of it):
Back in the really old days, the gladiator battles in the Roman coliseum sold out every night – but even they often didn’t end up as the kind of blood bath this campaign has been. Just so we set this up honestly – America, welcome to Las Vegas. Fox’s News Chris Wallace will be dealing tonight in the 6-segments of the debate = place your bets!
With both Trump and Clinton behind their respective podiums, this debate is set up like the first one as more of a joint press conference – in principle, with split screens. With Clinton supporters Westworld’s Jeffrey Wright and Ted Danson in the crowd along with Trump fan Scott Baio.
If things had turned out differently in 2008, her Dad could be cheering on VP Palin to succeed him this year
What can we expect from Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s final face-to-face of this bruising 2016 campaign where the surreal has become simply real and the previously abnormal just another news cycle of scandals, leaks and social media outrage?
Well, we know that the Clinton campaign have set things up tonight so that former President Bill Clinton and Melania Trump won’t meet up on their way to the family seats – and they didn’t as both are now seated
We can be pretty sure that the ex-Apprentice host and the ex-Secretary of State won’t be shaking hands at the onset, just like in the second debate – though they might touch palms at the end.
And, if past performances are any indication, we can be fairly sure that the trailing Trump will have shock value guests in the crowd like the mother of one of the four State Department employee killed in Benghazi and go scorched Earth to scare and shame Clinton – i.e. can you say Benghazi over and over, her husband’s alleged and admitted past behavior and Wikileaks revelations on Wall Street speeches and deleted emails or third verse same as the first and second.
With an 8 to 10 point lead in national polls right now and good prospects in once solid Red states, Clinton campaign says that her big topics for tonight’s debate will be Foreign Policy, the Supreme Court, the economy, debt and entitlement programs, immigration reform and of course Fitness to be President. But really it’s going to be, as she told the New York Times Magazine this week, “I’m the last thing standing between you and the apocalypse.”
Chris Wallace is kicking this off like a High School student council President debate – everyone be nice
here with go with Debate #3 AKA the ulcerpocalypse as it’s known in my house.
Chris Wallace looks to be making the american case for Brexit with his questions just kidding of course I don’t think the notion of a social security crisis is false.
“Silence, please blessed silence”. Now let’s see how long before #blessedsilence is trending on Twitter.
On FNC Megyn Kelly is up at the back co-hosting the net’s coverage of the debate. She should have been a general election debate moderator this year but, after the blood war between her and Trump that so wasn’t going to happen – though she’s pumping Trump up a bit right now
Just like he did in 2004 with Mosh, Eminem has swooped into this year’s election with a new tune. The ‘Campaign Speech’ song that the Detroit rapper released yesterday goes right after Trump. Ex-KKK head honcho and Trump supporter David Duke took to Twitter to say, among other things “for years Eminem has been poisoning the minds of our youth.”
Here’s some of that so-called poison of the man who once praised Trump back during the 2004 campaign – Consider me a dangerous man/ But you should be afraid of this dang candidate/ You say Trump don’t kiss ass like a puppet?/ ‘Cause he runs his campaign with his own cash for the funding?/ And that’s what you wanted?/ A f***** loose cannon who’s blunt with his hand on the button/ Who doesn’t have to answer to no one?/ Great idea!”
Speaking of Sarah Palin, the long time Trump supporter is there – maybe dreaming of what could have been
In a normal Presidential election, a third debate is a dead letter office. But there is nothing normal about this year. Still, deep pocket donors who were at Clinton’s final Hollywood fundraiser of this election on October 13 told me that the former NY Senator was almost Zen about this last debate and viewed Trump as bringing nothing more than more self-destruction.
Trump and Clinton didn’t want to sit together as some have in past third debates – the bile they feel towards each other is real
BTW – Sure was nice of CNN to have a “we’ll never be President” pre-Presidential debate between Rudy Giuliani and Mark Cuban tonight as a warm-up act. Not that they were exactly displaying the sober second voice, so to speak. “You’re wrong!,” the Shark Tank judge and HRC supporter exclaimed to the ex-NYC Mayor and Trump surrogate as the two started off going off the rails as Erin Burnett struggled to keep the tigers on their respective leashes. And after all that the Jeff Zucker run news net is going to have the boys back after Trump and Clinton are done and have retreated to their campaign planes.
I’m genuinely into Hillary’s Blofeld look for tonight’s devbate.
Love how Wallace is telegraphing his opinions through his first question. “Does the words of the founding fathers mean what they say, or is the constitution a living document.” “How long have you been beating your wife Secretary Clinton?” personfied.
Not shade: Genuinely impressed by how he tried to set the tone through his own filter. Masterful even if I disagree entirely with his premise.
Clinton’s all over SCOTUS right now, playing to her base and channeling some Bernie Sanders with that anti-corporation and “standing up to the powerful” Hey, where’s my spilt screen? Where’s the Trump sniffles?
OK, Trump is channeling Jeb Bush with that low energy intro – and now he’s attacking Notorious RBG for attacking him
Trump: “we will have a second amendment that will be a very very small replica of what it is now”. So… a collector’s edition then?
Clinton likes guns, she lived in Arkansas afterall
This all rather civil and wonky so far
Did Trump take placid reaction classes for this debate?
This is so low key so far that if you are in LA and not watching the Dodgers vs. Cubs already, you will be soon
If Trump wants to find a way to that magic 270 electoral votes to go for the win in November, he should talk Florida Florida and more Florida – no Sunshine State no White House. Right now Hillary has around a 4% lead.
Was the first sniffle of the night?
Gotta say, Chris Wallace has the moderating thing down solid – strong hand, good follow up
No TKO here, kind of wonder if the gloves are really coming on
Gotta fact check something: Trump mentions Chicago and lies about how tough the city’s gun laws are everyone drink. Even Chicago PD say the city’s laws aren’t that tough and most of the guns come from just outside anyway.
“Using that kind of scare rhetoric is very unfortunate” – Clinton cautions Trump over abortion. And now the interruptions begin but Wallace cut Trump short
Felt like Trump just repeated his Presidential announcement speech with his immigration and border wall building
Big sniffle there Donald
“We have some bad hombres here” – that’s the 6-word Trump bumper sticker.
Or a t-shirt Dom
Two versions of Trump’s meeting with Mexican President – ex-Celeb Apprentice host says it was great
In jumps Chris Wallace in best Vice-Principal style -and I mean that in a good way
How does Clinton tweet and debate at the same time? Oh yeah, Huma
Did Trump just offer President Obama a backhanded compliment for being the top deporter?
Hillary Clinton just overtalked Chris Wallace – Trump, c’mon man, she stole yer gig
Stop trying to make “bigly” a thing, Donald.
Did not see Clinton bringing up Wikileaks first – but she’s going for Trump through Putin
Hillary just took her first swing of the debate as she sidestepped Wallace’s question
Trump got a deserved laugh for calling out Clinton’s pivot
Chris Wallace will shut you down audience
“No, you’re the puppet” – that’s the Donald that laid waste to his GOP primary contenders
That puppet dis was hard core.
No idea, no idea … yeah, I got it
I mean Hillary’s puppet dis, not Trump’s.
“I do get to ask the questions” – Chris Wallace. Yes, you do
Is Vladmir Putin an immigration issue?
Will Putin become an economic issue in tonight’s debate?
This debate is reminding me of why I adamantly refuse to talk politics unless there is literally no choice whenever I’m visiting my family for thanksgiving.
Look at Trump making notes, keeping a straight face – does that poll well in the swing states?
I’ve seen that face in the boardroom on The Apprentice – someone’s getting fired
Chances are it’s Donald’s campaign manager ZING!
“Trickle down economics on steroids” – I actually know but don’t know what that soundbite means
Thank goodness Hillary didn’t try to make “trumped up trickle down” a thing again when given the in.
What else is on TV tonight? This is like the last Obama and Romney match-up in 2012, oh wait, I can’t remember any of that
Talking NAFTA is the most Trump has mentioned Bill Clinton tonight – is he saving it all for the last quarter like the Lakers used to?
Sorry but “You can’t” is no “You’d be in jail”
Folks I’m sorry to betray my personal bias here, but Donald is straight up lying about the national debt going up under Obama, and more importantly is ignoring just what happened right before Obama took office that caused the debt to spike in the first place.
Now Hillary mentions Bubba, is this the WJC section of the debate? That’s a topic?
I’m a fan of his bluster tonight but boy howdy am I going to be shotgunning mylanta by the end of this.
HAHAH, Presidential Debates are whatever you want them to be Dominic. Anything is a topic so long as you lean hard enough on a sentence.
“Thank you sir” – Wallace nicely blunts Trump. He really is the best moderator this year!
Speaking of which, what is my debate sherpa Dan Rather saying?
Hillary points out that when Bill was President he changed the national debt to a national surplus
— Dan Rather (@DanRather) October 20, 2016
Rather nailed it, Texas style
There it is -we tried cutting taxes for the wealthy and it didn’t work
— Dan Rather (@DanRather) October 20, 2016
Then again, Bruce Campbell knows a thing or two
“When I’m President” – Hillary Clinton
“Excuse me, my turn” – Donald Trump and now he starts on the stats. But Clinton calls him out on being wrong
My resume is better than your resume
Hey, Celebrity Apprentice just got slagged – feels canned
Donald is reminding me of this halloween party last year where this random guy interrupted a private conversation I was having, yelled at me that FDR was a Stalinist plant, then yelled at me when I tried to be like “hey what gives old bean” before storming off and declaring himself the winner of the debate. <<<< A true story.
Also Hillary is cribbing from her website’s interesting new feature this week that compares her and Trump in a given year, re: that Apprentice dig.
Grab your TGIW wine – scandal time
“we are gonna get to foreign hotspots in a few minutes”. Great! Europe has amazing public wifi JUST KIDDING.
Speaking of Shonda Rhimes
All that prep crumbling for Trump as he calls sexual assault allegations “lies” and “fiction” and says where’s my media coverage?
He walked into this and all Clinton is doing is a repeat of her Miss Universe move – didn’t anyone on TeamTrump see this?
Not a lot of Celebrity Apprentice fans out there tonight
OK, I was wrong, Trump took a dodge on the sexual assault claims and moved into the emails and “crooked” Hillary pose
This is like the Kool Moe Dee vs LL Cool J beef but all the rhymes are off topic and mention other rappers. And trump is his own hype man shouting “wrong” instead of “yeah boyyeee”
Clinton determined to get Trump raging with a litany of his sins – Kellyanne Conway finally got him to just stand there and say “I love to talk about getting rid of ISIS”
When did Donald Trump discover talking points?
Isn’t this “give back the money?” move straight out of that Bartlet vs Ritchie debate from The West Wing” – in a different context?
Trump drops following up Clinton on giving back money from Saudi Arabia and others with a cul-de-sac defense of his Foundation
Tax returns!! Attack line #17 in the HRC handbook
I don’t know what you’re watching but Clinton has way better lighting than Trump on my TV
It’s because Trump’s orange makeup absorbs light.
“Made with Chinese steel” – not a laugh line you hear in a lot of bars
Deja voodoo – now Trump is recycling his no-promises line about supporting the GOP nominee if it wasn’t him
Trump refuses to say he’ll accept the results of the election if it doesn’t go his way (which it really isn’t gonna do). That’s not scary.
“I’ll keep you in suspense” – Donald Trump on whether he supports American democracy
Should Trump have gotten that Emmy for The Apprentice? Debatable – and I don’t mean this one
On social media, Trump is all “drain the swamp” but not really mentioning it here?
BTW – who is tweeting from Trump’s twitter feed while he’s onstage? Or is that what he’s doing while seemingly writing notes at the podium?
MacArthur and Patton spinning in their graves line again – a Trump fave
Trump revealing his serious military strategy acumen a week and change after having it pointed out to him that we do warnings because of civilians who might want to flee.
This debate is like seeing the Stones or Paul McCartney at Oldchella – tunes you’v heard tons of times before and can hum along to but nothing new and lots of old moves
Another Celebrity Apprentice mention – Mark Burnett, protect your brand
“You are the one that’s unfit” goes Trump and then throws the long awaited fresh meat to his base with Wikileaks references and pointing out her own campaign chair’s leaked comments about her
“I’m just amazed that he seems to think… our allies launched the attack on Mosul to help me in this election.”
“Bundles of cash as big as this stage” – might be my fav no-meaning line of the night
Oh Chris Wallace, serious 3 AM Commender-in-Chief stuff question, really? Do you not know what debate you are at?
“Straight Outta Queens – an angry billionaire named Donald…” Clinton harks back to the 1990s again, kinda
Chris Wallace wants America to know he’s not a “potted plant” and he will prove it
Bring back Larry Wilmore to late night TV! Make America Laugh Again
Is this supposed to be over now?
It’s in extra innings just like LA hopes tonight’s game will be I SAY THIS NOT KNOWING WHO IS WINNING but #topicalhumor and #gododgers
“We’ve heard this before” – yes we have Donald. All these eyeballs and no swelling Morning in America moment despite all the invoking of Ronald Reagan?
Social Security is not going to run out of money in the 2030s everyone. This is factually untrue unless the government stops existing and laws are never again passed.
“Bad hombres” seems to be the social takeaway of the night
See my post-debate post for just how right Dominic is about that.
Did he just say “you’re such a nasty woman”? Really man, after all you’ve said about women? That’s your Oval Office reaction?
He did. Wow.
” I would like to end it on a positive note” – Chris Wallace throws in a new mini-segment. Platitudes galore are coming
Why is Presidential responsibility always characterized as “awesome”?
We began with “bad hombres” and ended with “such a nasty woman.” One industry Trump is definitely good for is America’s meme manfuacturing sector.
Clinton had her bullet points, Trump is on his — is this the way you want it to end America?
Chris Wallace says thank you and tells America …well, lots of you have already voted
Dominic, it’s probably “awesome” because “trill” or “ballin’ so hard” didn’t fit in the time limits.
No closing handshake between Clinton and Trump – kind of says it all. That’s it for us, see ya in 2020
Well here is my closing handshake for you, Dominic. *Shakes*
BTW – Gloria Allred is holding a press conference tmrw with, to quote the press release just sent out, “a woman who accuses Donald Trump of victimizing her with inappropriate sexual conduct”