After the group Right Wing Watch reported the twins who star in HGTV’s recently greenlit reality series Flip It Forward are anti-gay activists, the network said this morning it had given the hook to the series, which was set to debut in October. Yesterday, HGTV said it was “currently in the process of reviewing all information about the Benhams and we will provide an update as soon as possible.” Then came a tweet today:
HGTV has decided not to move forward with the Benham Brothers’ series.
— HGTV (@hgtv) May 7, 2014
Right Wing Watch reported Tuesday that David Benham had led a prayer rally outside of the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, NC in 2012, in which he told conservative radio host Janet Mefferd that America’s Christian majority must repent for tolerating “homosexuality and its agenda that is attacking the nation” and “demonic ideologies tak[ing] our universities and our public school systems.” He also said his brother had joined him in the prayer protest. The group also claimed David leads protests outside of abortion clinics.
HGTV announced at its upfront presentation last month in Los Angeles that it had picked up the home-flipping series about brothers David and Jason Benham. The network’s description of the show at the time: “After a decade of flipping houses for profit, brothers David Benham and Jason Benham now help families buy the homes they never thought they could afford. In each episode, the guys help a deserving family find a fixer-upper and transform it into their forever home — with a healthy dose of sibling rivalry between the brothers along the way.” At the same presentation, HGTV also announced it had greenlighted a design competition show from Ellen DeGeneres.
Yet another case of the one-sided view of Hollywood. Nevermind that this show might have been a great cause and done something good for needy families. You’re only allowed to think one way in this town, and if you don’t, say goodbye to your career. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Yep, that’s right, TCOMP. In Hollywood – as with most of free-thinking, liberty-minded folks everywhere – there is only one way to think in connection with civil rights. Bye!
There is no such thing as a civil right to marriage, as the Supreme court declared in their ruling last year
Nobody says there is a “civil right to marriage.” However, there is an equal protection clause that you may want to familiarize yourself with.
Exactly.
A STRAIGHT person does not have the right to marry a person of the same gender.
A HOMOSEXUAL person does not have the right to marry a person of the same gender.
A STRAIGHT person does not have the right to marry more than one person of the opposite gender.
A HOMOSEXUAL person does not have the right to marry more than one person of the opposite gender.
A STRAIGHT person does not have the right to marry another person without his/ her consent.
A HOMOSEXUAL person does not have the right to marry another person without his/ her consent.
A STRAIGHT person does not have the right to marry an animal.
A HOMOSEXUAL person does not have the right to marry an animal.
Equal rights for everyone!!!
Excuse me? Are you kidding? Didn’t Melissa Etheridge proclaim she was going “exercise her civil rights” and marry her partner after the latest Supreme Court ruling? Calling the right for homosexuals to marry a “civil right” has been at the core of the narrative for the progressive gay agenda for the past few years. Changing language and how something is “said” is everything with liberal progressives. Not only do they call the right for homosexuals to marry a “civil right” but they have conflated their “struggle” as morally equivalent to the REAL civil rights struggle of blacks in the 1960s. And can you tell me exactly WHEN homosexuals have not had equal protection under the laws in this country? If they are a citizen, they have equal protection. Have they been denied a right to a fair trial? Have they been denied rights to an attorney? Have they been denied the right to peacefully assemble? Have they been denied the right to express their opinions freely? The answer is “No”
It is not a question of equal protection. Every person of age can marry one person of the opposite sex. Gays have exactly the same rights that I have. Gays want more than equal rights.
equal protection is for all not just some. Which means that even though my Christian values are not in line with yours does not mean that you or anyone else has the right to trample on them because you don’t agree with what I have to say.
Apparently you need to familiarize yourself with the equal protection clause. Homosexuals are just as free to enter marriage with someone of the opposite sex as a heterosexual person. And heterosexual persons are not given special permission to enter a marriage with a person of the same gender.
The law is the same for everybody. You can argue that we should allow homosexual marriage; but the equal protection clause is not a legitimate point to that end.
All these folks out there think this is something an individual sould be responsible for. Not the case. Maybe you should familiarize yourseft with the actual clause. This amendment is only for state government ie. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. All these folks are trying to take away every single right the constitution provides. They won’t be satisfied until the word GOD is completly removed. Would you rather have the haters stay in the closet? Your never going to change their attitude towards anything they disagree with, nor should they.
The 14th Amendment was intended to end discrimination based on race and color. That’s it. It wasn’t until anti-American justices perverted it to cover whatever they felt like.
According to the Supreme Court decision in Loving vs Virginia, “Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival.”
The dopes who would say “Homosexuals are free to marry somebody of the opposite sex” would be the same dopes who said “Black men are free to marry black women” back then!
Bad mouthing a person who has a different race, religion (a complete choice) or sexual orientation is not an act of faith it is pure bigotry.
These clowns were not canned by HGTV becuase of their faith, they were canned because of their bigotry.
There is also a 10th Amendment that states the government is not allowed any power not specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The Federal government has no power to regulate marriage and thousands of other things it does to us.
You might want to review that clause yourself. neither type of marriage is a civil right.
Marriage is not a right – it is a sacrement
Do people still care or worry that two gays get married? Unbelievable, I consider that a mental disorder.
I wonder who hires and fires on HGTV. Well I do not like how they treat people so I will just not watch, just like I do not watch any news media except Fox News.
Equal protection is not being violated in not allowing same sex marriage since straights of the same sex ALSO cannot marry. You have turned a gender based distinction in law into some phony “the right to marry WHO YOU WANT, etc.
That was never the definition nor the intent.
You are arguing a claim of something like “sexual orientation preference” which a 3rd party cannot continuously verify independently unlike say a person’s race into a claim of it being like miscegenation laws, etc.
iS THEIR SUCH A THING AS FREEDOM OF OPINION IE SPEECH? aRE WE BECOMING CHINA? RUSSIA? IRAN? SYRIA?
Absolutely. You’re free to say whatever you want, and I’m free to not hire you if I don’t like the things you say. That’s how the free market works. Would you prefer some socialist system where I have to hire people whose views I disagree with?
Yes,there is freedom of speech. These lunkheads can say whatever they want. However, their employer is also entitled to hire/fire who they want if they believe an employee is reflecting negatively on the employer.
As far as I can tell no one has been imprisoned or punished in any real way. They ARE completely free to express their opinions. As the network is completely free to let them go. If I’m at work and I say something that part of my customer base my be offended by…I will be terminated. Granted, they weren’t at work, however, they have chosen a job which puts them in the public spotlight. Do you think any gay folks watch HGTV?
Who says the brothers can’t express an opinion? No one. But HGTV is not required to go into business with them if it finds those opinions repugnant. Further, it would go against their capitalist objectives to broadcast a show when the host’s views are offensive to HGTV’s core demo. This is not “CHINA RUSSIA IRAN SYRIA”, this is the good old USA where the Dollar is King.
So Ken using your logic, I am free to not hire someone who is gay simply because I don’t like the things they say?
More like European Socialists
Is HGTV now trying to match Bravo as the gayest channel?
@Ken – you hire someone because they can do the job. You don’t hire someone because they can’t. Their views are not supposed to be part of it. To not hire someone because of their views is called discrimination. Of course, in this world today, it’s only discrimination if you’re a liberal. If you hold traditional viewpoints, you’re considered an ignorant buffoon, and then it’s okay to discriminate against you. Phhtt. Tolerance my ass. You’re only tolerant if someone agrees with you. You people suck, and it’s why our society is swirling in the bowl.
Ken, that’s not a socialist system, that’s our law right now. If we went by what you said, people who disagreed with homosexual views could choose to not hire a homosexual or those who agree with homosexuality. That’s called discrimination…and it’s against the law, last time I checked.
Yes, and I have the right to never again watch HGTV. Oh, what am I saying, I already took HGTV from my house and lobby all my acquantances to do the same.
“Are we becoming China, Russia, Iran, Syria?” Sadly, per Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and their fellow travelers–yes, we are.
Ken, you are mistaken. You can refuse to hire someone for their views ONLY if their views are conservative or traditional. You’d find yourself in court in a heart-beat if you refused to hire someone because they supported gay marriage, and chances are good that, in most of our “progressive” cities, you’d lose your business, if not your shirt.
WE ARE BECOMING A CHINA. RUSSIA. IRAN. SYRIA.
@Ken: “I’m free to not hire you if I don’t like the things you say.”
Not in THIS country, you’re not. We have laws against exactly the kind of discrimination you’re endorsing.
The Benham brothers did not perform any act of discrimination. They didn’t refuse to provide services to homosexuals. They didn’t attempt to deprive any homosexual of their civil rights. They haven’t refused to associate with homosexuals. They aren’t forcing homosexuals to sit at the back of the bus, or attend separate schools, or attempted to deprive them of due process or the right to earn a living or hold public office.
Their only sin is not thinking the thoughts some folks think they should think. Their show has been dropped not for anything they’ve DONE, but for holding the “wrong” sort of personal opinions.
What you’re advocating is pure bigotry, intolerance and discrimination. You’re arguing that employers should have the right to hire or not hire an individual based not on that individual’s qualifications for the job, but for holding unwelcome opinions on subjects completely unrelated to the employment offered. This is no different than refusing to hire someone just because you don’t like the color of his skin.
“We don’t hire the wrong sort of people here.” And, apparently, you have arrogated to yourself the right to decide what the “wrong sort of people” are.
Joe McCarthy would be proud.
@Nat: What country do you think you live in? Of course you can choose not to hire someone if you think they’re a bigot. There’s no equal protection law that says people have to hire you regardless of your being a jackass. And conflating the choice to drop this show with making hiring decisions based on skin color is ridiculous. You don’t choose the color of your skin, but you do choose to hold and express bigoted opinions.
Thank you, every day we hear another example of the loss of free speech in America.
Learn some spelling and grammar if you want to be taken seriously.
Yes ,Freedom of Speech is protected under the First amendment. However, the _consequences_ of an individual’s free speech is not protected.
I doubt most of the , Fox News watching, bigoted, teabagging, romney loser’s here will understand the subtle difference between the two.
well ya after all freedom.liberty and GOD
They have the right not to hire, if they don’t like what you say. I have the right to not tune in to the programming of networks who only hire pro gay, pro abortion hosts for their shows.
Good idea. I need to find out which shows are pro gay and not watch them. Thanks.
I hate it our country has come to this, but so be it. Lots of research, here I come!
Ken, Really?
No one has a right to not hire a person if they don’t like their opinion, or “what they say”. Your United States government established the EEOC that makes it illegal to discriminate in hiring because of age, national origin, RELIGION, race, disability etc. It seems the brothers could easily file a discrimination suit against the network. It is also interesting that the current situation requires a business to perform a service that they don’t agree with in order to satisfy a particular customer. Why doesn’t the customer just go to another business. This is the “free market” system, not the system you are describing. ..
Um actually it’s “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.
The only mention of God in that reference is as man’s “creator” That means whomever the individual believes that is. God plays into that only on the part of the individual not on the side of Government.
Huh? That’s exactly what that means – the SC said so it’s LAW and true and fair. The myth is that marriage is a religious instution. Without the governemnt, NO marriages are legal – it’s a government instituition. The religious apsect is just for show. I’ts not legal until the law says so. If the “church” really thought it owned the right to say who can and can’t marry, then they would protest that jusdges, shiop captains and anyone who owns a computer can legally marry someone. No church or relihion needed to marry so it’s really none of the church’s business who marries who. Get it now? Go ionto a church and have the priest marry you wihtouy ever getting a marriage licese and your NOT married.
God, you’re letting your emotions get away with you so much, you can’t even type straight.
While your point is technically correct, marriage as well as homosexual affection/behavior far and away predates nearly all forms of modern goverment. Government has usurped marriage as a means of more control over peoples lives.
If I had my way the ONLY role STATE government would have over marriage would be limited to defining contract law.
You want to call yourself married, by whatever means you care to whether it be a relifious construct or other….knock yourself out. Conversely no one else is REQUIRED to recognize anothers marriage and cannot be sued for refusing to bake you a cake or arrange you flowers.
Also, if I had my way there would be no tax benefit to marriage as all taxes would be lower.
Yes, you got that right…live your life as you see fit without interference from government, and I am free to live mine as I see fit…what a concept, huh?
Kal,
You got it exactly backwards. Marriage is an institution created by Almighty God 6,000 years ago, long before there was any government.
It is government that has no jurisdiction over marriage. That is a big mistake in this country. Gay marriage doesn’t actually exist whether the several states say it does or not.
All references to marriage in our laws, including the tax code, should be removed.
The contractual aspect of marriage is sanctioned by the State. However, ‘marriage’ as it has been understood by human society for around 5,000 years, means the joining together of man and woman for the purposes of procreation, the upbringing of children in a stable environment, and mutual support of the spouses one for the other. Your libertarian (libertine?) interpretation may have currency today,but in the long run it will do grave injury to society, just as easy divorce and rampant illegitimacy are doing today.
Marriage predates organized religion and civil order. It is one of the few organic institutions for the human race. Evolution doesn’t care about your silly laws and your silly religion. You’re playing with something that has been part of us for a very, very long time. Stop pretending you are a god and can change things with the stroke of a pen or an impassioned speech.
Kal,
not for nothing but marriage has been a holy sacrement in the christian religons for years so i would say there is some small amount of owenership.
Next do you feel so insecure and helpless that your willing to give up your freedoms of speech and thought. What has made this the greatest country in the world is the drive and individualism, the freedom of thought and ideas. Too many heros have given their lives so that people have the right to speak their minds and think their thoughts to allow a shallow thinking person disrespect their bravery and honor. The law of the land is the constitution you may want to reread the 1st ammendment.
How about you go into a school and learn to form coherent sentences. Hollywood has the right to be as bigoted as they want to be, just like the brothers do.
The difference is, Hollywood acts as though they are tolerant, when the opposite is true.
You forgot common law…..
Marriage was a religious institution LONG, LONG, LONG before any government got involved. And in the US at least, the government joined churches in recognizing marriage because it saw the protection of the institution as essential to the preservation of the nation.
It’s a total misrepresentation of marriage to pretend like the institution is somehow official because of what your government says.
I suspect most Christians in the US would say that you are married when you say your vows before God – whether or not you pay the government for a marriage license. If the government stops recognizing marriage at all (which is probably a good idea) marriage won’t disappear. It will just return to its original state which is probably the best possible outcome for everyone.
Actually marriage was first introduced in the bible. It is a religious ceremony in which governments took over. Being a Christian and having Christian beliefs does not mean that you hate the people you disagree with.
We speak our minds when your choices start interfering with ours and they try to intrude on our lives and the way we raise our children.
I have family members who are gay. I love them. They know I disagree with their choices but we still love each other and spend a lot of time together. They choose not to force their lifestyle choices on my family.
I don’t want people or even ask people to lose their jobs based on their lifestyle choices and it should no be done to me either or anyone else either.
Everyone has an opinion and should be able to voice it.
You are incorrect Kal. Marriage was the first institution created by God between one man and one woman. Government had nothing to do with it. Governments got involved for the usual reason, power over the governed.
Also, isn’t it interesting how Right Wing Watch tries to defame these two by declaring them “anti gay activists”. You would think that the LGBT community (aka RWW), who proclaim we should be accepting and respectful of everyone’s beliefs is the very group who attack the Benham brothers because they have a different belief. I would call that hypocritical.
Marriage predates governments…
Marriage has nothing to do with religion, unless you so choose. Folks can get married by anyone with a license or justice of the peace. The act of marriage has been around long before organized religion.
You are sadly mistaken about marriage having nothing to do with religion. Long before the state/government was involved, people were married in churches, according to church law, church doctrine. Marriages were recorded in church records and family Bibles. Marriage is, in fact, an institution of the church. The rules of marriage or refusal to marry, varied according to the church you were a member of, e.g., Baptist, Mormon, Catholic. The state/government only became involved when someone decided that blood tests were necessary for the public health. Even then and even now, it is up to the church doctrine whether or not you will be allowed to be married in the church after you get a marriage license. The license does not marry you, just allows you to then choose when, where, how, and by whom and in which church or city hall or backyard or party venue you want to be married.
Marriage IS a religious thing. The state usurped the authority so they could tax marriage. The union of a man and a woman IS marriage. They agree to live together, share their worldly goods, begat their children all in the grace of God. It was government that turned it into a legal contract. For the legal contract you are required to pay a Notary Public or Justice of the Peace to certify the contract. That is NOT marriage.
So do you disagree that this nation was founded on Christian principles? Maybe you need to read the documents that the founding fathers wrote.
Learn to edit your writing! Please!
If you want to get all historical about the “institution” of marriage…
Then most people need to keep in mind that “marriage” by traditional definition pre-dating the bible was not for love, but for money, land, title, birthing and tribal connections nothing else.
It has been all throughout history a political device, never one about love and all the fuzzy stuff that goes with it. That’s first year cultural anthropology fact. “Love” and marriage as we know it today is in the timeline of cultural history a very “new thing”.
equal protection is not the same as redefining a time honored word and concept to make believe two rights are synonymous when they are equal but different. Familiarize yourself.
Nice…. Seriously? You’re going for a Plessy v. Ferguson definition to justify your belief that “marriage” is only for man/woman union.
Wow, I mean just…. wow….. bigotry is alive and well in the US and it wears the cloak of religion to pass as acceptable.
Once again, it’s the right that can’t have the freedom of thoughts or beliefs, if it’s not in lock step with the communist views of the left. Bullies I say.
fk the suprem court, they don’t rule me anymore
Good point Phd. Also, marriage used to be a matter for the couple and their church. The state got involved due to anti-miscegenation concerns. That is to keep people of different races from marrying. But if this is still America, you have the right to hold unpopular beliefs. And if this is still America, you have a right to not hire someone who holds them. Does that work for all beliefs? Or just the PC ones?
Trey
Um. Yes. That fundamental civil right hails from an opinion from 1888, cited in Loving v. Virginia from 1967.
“These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888).”
Did you really use “free” and “liberty” while defending the show’s anti-diverse, restrained and rigid conformity in tossing the brothers? Did you really? Wow! Disagree and hold biblical positions, and there is no room for you at the table. Too funny if not so pathetic
MIKE,
No room for you at the table??? This says it all. What is pathetic is that if they disagree with you and your position they don’t have their Constitutional Rights. Of course if they were spouting immoral homosexuality and the promotion of it in hate of those who embrace traditional Christian values then they would not only have a place at the table, but immunity from any hate speech, beliefs, or actions all in the name of your god Satan. For you free speech is only for the antichrist homosexual baby murdering crowd. Either free speech exists in this country or it doesn’t. The current Supreme court has to often chosen to ignore the Constitution rather than uphold it and to legislate from the bench. We now live in a Post-Constitution world where the extreme is now the norm and the norm is now the extreme. Woe to those who call good evil and those who call evil good. Repent and seek God for who He says He is and not what you want Him to be.
Ummm…what “Constitutional Rights” were taken away from the brothers for using their free speech? The Constitutional Right to use free speech, which they did? Or the Constitutional Right to have an HGTV TV show (which, if you think is a right, maybe you should reread the Constitution.)
Here’s freedom: they can say whatever they want. No one is stopping them.
Freedom, Part 2: HGTV can hire whoever they want.
Now, the brothers can continue on with their beliefs, no one is stopping them or censoring them. However, HGTV just isn’t employing them.
Wow.., you’re nuts. Seriously, take off the aluminum hat you are wearing.
The ancient Roman Empire collapsed as a direct result of the Pater Family collapsing. The Emperors were left with no solutions to fix it and as a result the Empire collapsed. This is the root cause of social destruction. Happened before and is happening now as we speak.The institution of marriage is an invention to organize society in a way so as to differentiate humans from animals. No? Do we see animals going to an alter and getting married? The organizational force of marriage is of great importance to maintaining cohesiveness in our society but this institution has turned into a redistributive mechanism of wealth as a result of socialist/progressive tampering. It may be too late now. I don’t see society gathering together to stop the damage in any meaningful way. I believe its over for us. I’m not and will never get married under any circumstances ever again. I have seen what and how women use it and abuse the institution against men.
Amen brother!
LOL. Calm down, you’re embarrassing yourself.
well said..HGTV is banned at our house.
Amen!
All dissent must be liquidated! We can no longer tolerate anti-socialist thought or actions. Re-education is the only solution. After all, it’s for their own good, isn’t it Comrade. FORWARD! YES WE CAN!
So Basically being a Christian and holding Christian views is now grounds for firing.
I wonder how long before it becomes illegal and ‘racist’ to be Christian.
Not soon enough…..
HGTV employs many homosexuals. Why would they want to possibly lose those employees by hiring people who hate gays. It is a business. The brothers would hurt that business. End of story. Maybe Spiketv will pick them up. lol
That is the most hilarious red herring I have ever seen thrown into the middle of any argument…. “illegal and racist to be Christian” your position is completely laughable.
Mike – The brothers are still free to believe and say anything they want to without government interference. But HGTV, a private business, is under no obligation to give them a show on their network if they don’t want to. HGTV has their audience to consider and perhaps the gay community is part of that audience. Were you upset when Guns & Ammo fired their editor because he expressed his support for new gun laws?
Familiarize yourself, you dope. Marriage is a relatively recent invention. There have always been pairings and domestic partnerships but legalized marriage is new. Also, your grammar and punctuation make you sound like s slack-jawed, mouth breather.
I always supported gay rights and abhorred any sort of discrimination or bullying, but now it is the gay activists who are the bullies.
We are being softened up, being prepared for other tyrannies. What’s coming next? If you don’t vote a straight Democratic ticket, you’re not allowed to vote or work for a living? How about if you don’t support climate change? Will you not be allowed to own property? This is truly getting crazy and scary. PS If you are still using firefox, uninstall it (google for details).
ya right cause ya know freedom , liberty, and GOD
Sometimes the people who have a different point of view are simply bigots. HGTV has no obligation to award anyone a TV show, let alone two people who talk about “demonic ideologies” being taught at your kids’ elementary school.
Only one point of view is tolerated. All others will be destroyed. It’s exactly what fascism is all about.
For decades, we were told, “If you don’t like it… change the channel.” Now that they believe they have full control, those same people are determined to make sure that all channels look the same.
The views expresses by the brothers are Religious Beliefs..NOT so called hate speech or threatening to anyone. I don’t completely agree with the statemens but this is a clear case of religious persecution. It continues to happen. Sad that free speech has died.
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People are entitled to their views…to persecute someone for them makes you the same kind of intolerant person as them. As for HGTV, I will not support their network anymore, the brothers views had nothing to do with the show. Seems like you had a show about flipping…already in the works, and rolled over when homosexuals complained. Now as a human being, I say shame on you!
Agreed. These brothers are intellectual and philosophical midgets, and this on TOP of their blatant bigotry.
HGTV did the right thing. Had they not, they would have lost my viewership.
In this case HGTV is clearly the bigoted party. It’s obviously just another PC organization held hostage to the sick moral code of a dying culture.
The brothers were standing for Truth regarding an agenda. They weren’t threatening anyone or being hateful yet the Left reacts with disproportionate rage as they always do. Jesus told His followers we would be hated and reviled for His name’s sake so their behavior only confirms that prophecy. It’s HIM they really hate.
At the heart of all this is a raging spiritual battle that will someday come to an end. We Christians already know Who is victorious in that battle so we have nothing to fear — not even the stones of hatred being thrown by the angry Left.
If these men had been denied a TV show because they were gay it would be a so-called “civil rights” issue, and the network would have been forced to do the show.
Show up with your brain next time.
Sometimes people who have a different point of view are simply obeying their God. The television watchers have no obligation to award any channel their viewership, let alone those who espouse “demonic ideologies” in their programming.
And here we have the usual right-wing/fundamentalist approach — take what the right/GOP is currently doing all over the country at the state level (voter suppression, climate change denial, forcing Christian teachings into government/public setting) and accuse the other side of doing it in reverse, to deflect what’s really going on.
The reason that aggressive Christians are being challenged is because their beliefs and actions are oppressive to others in the first place. Accusing anyone else of oppressing proselytzing hoardes of Christians is a smokescreen.
Exactly. See what happens when gov’t puts it fingers in the pot? Marriage IS a religious institution. Traditionally vows are taken from the Bible. But in comes the gov’t because they want the “fees” (taxes) for marriage licenses. That is when it all began. So just to make it clear to you, marriage is a religious institution and has been around for thousands of years. I don;t care what gyas do. But implementing “a right to marry” is just like the welfare recipients having a “right” to food, shelter, and living expenses.)
haha…..you said voter suppression…..people not smart enough to obtain a legal ID for voting shouldn’t have the right to vote on our leadership and laws…..it is up to the voting public to not take advantage of those same people…..the claim of voter suppression, in this case, seems to be a dishonest attempt at gaining control….
These folks who are screaming and raising help about giving all people equal right are the same idiots who made the same arguments against the Civil Right Movement so long ago. Their bastardized version of “Christianity” has nothing to do with what REAL Christians believe. The message of Christ was to love each other as we loved him and ourselves, he never said a word about politics. In my humble (Christian) opinion, these people are spouting their political views, nothing more. I believe that the vast majority of these people are republican or libertarian, and they’re simply doing what their political leaders have asked them to do… go out and spread the hate and discounted that they believe in. The object of the game is power. Power begets money which begets more power. Is it the bible that says the love of money is the root of all evil? Why in the world WOULDN’T the network pull a TV show headed up by two bigots who are, ( if you believe the scientific research), plainly in the minority of the voting aged population of our nation?? Who in their right mind (and heart) could watch this show with a clear conscious? Wouldn’t it be the same as watching something hosted by members of the Westboro Babtist “church”?? Insanity!!
Oh where to begin…
“voter suppression”
Ahh yes producing an ID is voter suppression, same ID required to drive, buy alcohol, write a check, sign up for utilities, apply for a job, etc and etc and etc. I will gladly provide a free ID for all Americans to reduce voter fraud.
“climate change denial”
Ahh yes the famed climate denial, the lefts little trick to make it appear as if there is something wrong with you if you disagree. I prefer open mindedness, since so many of the studies are propped up by people who will gain financially, the modern day snake oil salesman don’t appeal to me sorry.
“forcing Christian teachings into government/public setting”
Oh you mean like evolution? I went to a Christian school and they taught creationism as well as evolution. Your bigoted nature and proclivity to generalize got the best of you once again open mind denier.
“The reason that aggressive Christians are being challenged is because their beliefs and actions are oppressive to others in the first place. Accusing anyone else of oppressing proselytzing hoardes of Christians is a smokescreen”
Leading a prayer rally is not “aggressive”, if that bothers you then you are quite insecure and ignorant of the world. Spoiled individuals as yourself have no idea what an “aggressive” environment really is. Once we go down the road of firing people because little fascistic groups are now running around demanding firing of anyone that disagrees there is no turning back. Today it is something you agree with tomorrow it may be something you do not.
Only people that are insecure in their own beliefs would even bother to do these things. The bottom line is as much as the radical left tries you cannot force people to agree with something they do not. We have come so far from where we started in America.
Well said!
All you need is the mark of the beast.
If you are using Google(or Chrome), you support a very pro-gay company. They’re everywhere.
And that has to do with what? Nothing. So what if they (google) are pro gay. Life should not be about sexuality. IT is about loving thy neighbor as you love thyself. It is about forgiving those that have wronged you. It is about living your life as Christ would have lived His and let His, our Father God do the judging. These people have been told about Christ now wash your hands and move on with living yours.
Tyranny of the EXREME minority.
Today on Deadline: two homophobes get their show cancelled because HGTV doesn’t want to lose advertising revenue. A bunch of morons posing as progressives troll the comments section with rants about how the free market is bullying people into not preaching hate as proscribed in the book of Leviticus.
Yesterday on Deadline: two Ku Klux Klan members get their show cancelled because HGTV doesn’t want to lose advertising revenue. A bunch of morons posing as progressives troll the comments section with rants about how the free market is bullying people into not owning slaves as proscribed in the book of Genesis.
Jo, what’s happening here isn’t bullying, it’s capitalism. Advertisers don’t want to support homophobes for the same reason they don’t want to support racists, because it will result in the majority of Americans not buying their products. Please, try to come to terms with the fact that no one is ever going to perceive racists and homophobes as victims. Maybe you should try another tactic, like seceding. I know that didn’t work the last time, but practice makes perfect.
(Dear Deadline moderator: I know you guys don’t post most of my comments because you don’t want to enrage your precious Drudge click throughs, but please, if you post just this one, I promise I won’t bother your precious conservative Drudgies for the rest of this week. Cross my heart and hope to burn in hell.)
In this case HGTV is clearly the bigoted party. It’s obviously just another PC organization held hostage to the sick moral code of a dying culture.
The brothers were standing for Truth regarding an agenda. They weren’t threatening anyone or being hateful yet the Left reacts with disproportionate rage as they always do. Jesus told His followers we would be hated and reviled for His name’s sake so their behavior only confirms that prophecy. It’s HIM they really hate.
At the heart of all this is a raging spiritual battle that will someday come to an end. We Christians already know Who is victorious in that battle so we have nothing to fear — not even the stones of hatred being thrown by the angry Left.
you are partially correct. the reason this show was cancelled is because it didnt involve a hilarious old uncle with a ice tea glass, excellent branding or bobble heads. it didnt have an army of fans nor do they make great chicken sandwiches or a polynesian sauce. all possible variation of racist, bigot, homophobe, anti-semite, cis-privileged people have their place in television/film/culture firmly held. really its fine to hate to your hearts content, just make sure youre already bringing in enough cash.
an example for consideration… should we all boycott the brooklyn nets because of the multitude of times jay-z used the word faggot as an insult throughout his records? should he be forced to sell his share of the team? should he be banned from the NBA?
“because it will result in the majority of Americans not buying their products.”
You cannot possibly support that conclusion. In fact, the evidence is against you. Look at the whole farce surrounding Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty. There was such a strong backlash against forcing him off the show for his “anti-gay” views he was reinstated post-haste.
Because the networks discovered the hard way that most people don’t care what an actor’s personal beliefs are. If you really believe the Bingham brothers personal opinions would affect show revenue, I suggest you’re living in a reality bubble.
Actually it is bullying.
If networks, fearing reprisal, began firing homosexuals or anyone who 5 years ago supported same sex marriage, idiots like you would not be here arguing that it was not a violation of free speech since the gov did not ban or punish them, etc. or that we can speak all we want but should not expect consequence free speech, etc.
You’d be leading the charge to destroy that network by ANY means possible, including laws, etc.
If HGTV were owned by pro-life activists, and they found out some woman on the show supported abortion right and fired her, even if she never mentioned it on her show about flipping houses, you would be outraged and would not be calling it capitalism, since the shoe would be on the other foot.
If I had a dollar for every liberal spouting this nonsense with cut and pasted opinions they got off DKos, I’d be richer than Trump…
“Jo, what’s happening here isn’t bullying, it’s capitalism”
You are so wrong it is painful. No capitalism would have been if they were constantly espousing their beliefs as part of the content of the show and the ratings plummeted.
This is nothing more than radical groups scouring content of all celebrities to take down anyone that disagrees. The brown shirts would have been proud of this fascistic nature. As a result, they get free advertising for their cause. In reality, all they are doing is now hurting their cause. There is a big difference between living your life and being accepted and getting in people’s face and trying to force them to agree with you.
Well whatever, don’t make me laugh regarding your free market analogy. If this were the case then leftist pigs like Bill Maher should be removed from television as well.
@Jared Wynn: “Advertisers don’t want to support homophobes for the same reason they don’t want to support racists, because it will result in the majority of Americans not buying their products.”
Congratulations. You’ve just absolved HGTV by pointing the finger at the gay community. “HGTV has made a business decision to cater to the intolerance of its demographic audience.”
If the gay community were to practice the same tolerance toward Christians that it demands from Christians, the Benhams personal beliefs wouldn’t even be an issue, particularly in a show in which they’re not likely ever to come up.
Thank you for so eloquently making our point for us.
It’s referred to in the industry as “the economy of neutral” HGTV would prefer to remain neutral and appeal to their widest base than swing to far left or right for fear of offending their advertisers.
Normal, it’s the new evil.
The LGBT community aren’t the ones who are trying to use the law and the power of government to deny a right, (marriage), to someone they disagree with. “Christian” bigots are! (And I place “Christian” in quotes, because these people are NOT acting like Christ!
Oh, I see, you knew Christ personally…
The argument is not about denying the right to marriage, it’s about the definition of marriage. Or rather the un-defining of marriage.
To see the next place we are going, google Operation Choke Point.If the feds don’t like what you’re doing or saying, they will simply cut you out of the banking system.
An assistant professor of philosophy at the Rochester Institute of Technology recently called for all “climate change deniers” to be imprisoned.
This network not hiring two hatemongers is NOT bullying you fool. And gay people not tolerating these two brothers hate speech is not bullying either. How many brain-dead Americans will it take to see that EVERYONE has the right to love WHO they want!
Only one point of view is tolerated. All others will be destroyed. It’s exactly what fascism is all about.
For decades, we were told, “If you don’t like it… change the channel.” Now that they believe they have full control, those same people are determined to make sure that all channels look the same.
Wow. That was perfectly stated. Nice job. That’s exactly what is happening.
Right, right, right – I always forget that someone not respecting your right to persecute them is fascism. Silly me.
Who is being persecuted here? Two brothers are having a commercial opportunity – based solely on their real estate business – denied. Why? Because the two of them voiced some opinions (that have nothing to do with real estate) with which others disagree.
I think I would be fairly justified in thinking that I was being persecuted if I were fired from my computer programming job for expressing the opinion that I had particular distaste for onions.
You mean like so-called “Christians” trying to destroy the LGBT community?
Last time I checked, it was the so-called “Christians” who were trying to use the power of government to crush those they don’t agree with, by trying to ban gay marriage. The LGBT community using the power of the free-market is NOT facism, because it doesn’t involve the power of government.
Please note that there is no such thing as gay marraige. Marraige is the union between 1 man and 1 woman. That being said, 2 men or 2 women joined in a civil union, should have the same legal rights as a married couple, but calling it marraige will not make it so, just as calling an apple an orange will never make it one.
LOL…power of the free market? The CEO of Mozilla was forced to resign for merely exercising his rights as a private citizen and HE was the one that got the company into being a viable entity. The free market had nothing to do with it.
And this HGTV decision..it was the homonazis/homostasi doing exactly what took place with Mozilla…a prog hit squad got some material they know they could exploit, took it to the “offending” party’s enterprise and pressured them into firing the people. This wasn’t an audience deciding whether they like the show or not, this was a premeditated hit on someone that didn’t comply with the prog thought on homosexuality. The show was a done deal until the homonazis started crying “gay basher”.
I can’t believe you so willingly and enthusiastically embrace this kind of fascism..it defies belief. This isn’t America….you people should be terrified of the precedent you’re setting here. This is the stuff of George Orwell. Are you that far gone? Seriously?
@Parallax3D Does so “involve the power of government”. If these men were gay and were explicitly denied the show for that reason they would have a so-called “civil rights” case. BHO and Holder would be all over it. Like stink on s…
you don’t even see that same alleged intolerance in yourself! wow!
That’s the point of most liberalism. Conformity.
Time once was they supported ranges of ideas, even those they despised. Not anymore. They want to physically gag anyone not agreeing with their slate of views and prevent expression full force. Not win an argument, stop the counter-arguer from existing.
Nice.
so true, but I can turn it “OFF”
“…free-thinking liberty-minded folks everywhere….there is only one way to think about…” — Did you really use both those statements in one sentence and think you were making a reasoned, logical point?
Liberty minded? Unless someone thinks something YOU don’t like then they have to be punished and shut up. right..?
Good grief, your post is a perfect example of liberal doublespeak. LOL, you bless the suppression of dissent in the name of liberty. Holding two opposing views at the same time and seeing no conflict is a liberal hallmark. Unreal.
The thought police at work again. ‘Right wing watch’? WTF. They want to suppress thoughts they don’t like.
Wow, your one sentence statement almost perfectly sums up the fascist ideology and hypocrisy of most “enlightened, diversity loving, all inclusive” liberals and you don’t even realize it.
so they do not have the “civil right” to think a different way than you would want them to?
Of course they have the right to think differently. and they have the right to face the wrath of public opinion. everyone has the right to be a bigot. you just don’t have a right to have a tv show.
Having a different belief does not make someone a bigot, but your unwillingness to allow someone the right to disagree with you, without you calling them a bigot, does make you INTOLERANT!
According to Dictionary.com–Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Who is the bigot in this case? I think it is obvious that HGTV is because they are utterly intolerant of the Benham Brother’s beliefs.
The wrath of the public? I don’t recall the public being asked. And the public has voted over and over again against gay marriage. But whatever.
freddy, you would make the SS very proud of how well you march. I suppose you support the Holocaust as “Civil Rights” for poor Nazis? Of course you do.
Forcing people to abandon free-thought and demanding they only think a certain way. Isn’t that what Hitler did?
Get your head out of your butt. People have a right to think and believe anything they want in this country, you communist pig.
Wow – you said that without a hint of irony. Brilliant! You only hate two things – closed mindedness, and people who disagree with you.
So what you are really saying is that the Benham brothers have no civil rights to have their own belief.
If that is true then the show wouldn’t be cancelled since you are so liberty minded. After free speech is the very first amendment in the bill of rights there freddy. Bye yourself.
Since when is Hollywood “free-thinking”? We’re talking about the same group of folks who think nothing of lauding known pedophiles. Besides, true “free-thinkers” and lovers of liberty are not afraid of opposing viewpoints, very much unlike the gay mafia in Hollyweird.
Roman Polanski drugs and rapes a 13-year-old child and PLEADS GUILTY. Then Whoopi Goldberg goes on national TV and says, “Well, yeah, but, you know, it wasn’t really RAPE-rape.” And there’s absolutely no moral outrage whatsoever.
If Roman Polankski had been, say, a Catholic priest, rather than a darling of Hollywood, Whoopi would have covered the studio with spittle calling for the abolition of Catholicism — that den of pedophiles — worldwide. But if it’s her favorite director, suddenly it’s not “RAPE-rape”.
But when the Benham brothers merely express an unpopular opinion on homosexuality — note they did not drug or rape children, they just expressed an opinion — the left is all over them like white on rice (whoops, was that racist?). An admitted pedophile is welcome in Hollywood, but the Benhams are not.
And they can’t see the hypocrisy.
freddy: What happened to THEIR right to believe what they want? They have a show that would have helped many people, but since they don’t ‘think right’… cancelled. Oh and Mike Tanney: freddy said it was a civil right.
Freddy,
You’re obviously a blind, one sided little activist yourself…..A sexual choice is NOT civil rights….if you were born black, red, purple, any color other than white, then it’s civil rights. Now, skip on back to the tulip field…
You heard it here first, folks. Groupthink is now the law of the land. Any attempt to deviate from the thoughts WE decide you can think will be punished. You are only allowed to think the thoughts WE deem proper. Any attempt to think different thoughts will be punished. You will be shunned, you will be ostracized, you will be called names, you will be told when and where you can work. Welcome to 1984.
Sincerely, Big Brother
I will not be watching HGTV in future! It won’t because I agree with these brothers but, because the rules only work for some people not all the people! If the two brothers were the minority and it came out that HGTV didn’t hire them who would be on whipping post then? What is the difference of not hiring because of race and not hiring because you stand up for your right to peacefully protest something you believe in?
civil rights? please
There are plenty of people who can host this show. So you won’t have to worry about the needy families.
What you do have to worry about is the fact that you’re a complete and utter MORON.
Now THERE’s a clever comment.
That’s hilarious coming from someone who named herself “moron” to post on this shiddy, far-left site.
Says the guy who identifies himself as “MORON”!
Really? The best you have is name-calling? How old are you? Childish insults make YOU look unintelligent, not the person you’re insulting. If you have a good point to add to the debate, make it. Otherwise, bow out and accept that you simply are not informed enough to debate the issue.
WAIT! If I disagree with you, MORON, I am a complete and utter YOU?
Duhhhhh
There is nothing more intolerant than the tolerance movement. Not sure how their personal views would impact the final product. You do have the right to religious freedom in this country.
There’s a difference between religious freedom and being a hate-mongering bigot. Of course, however, most hate-mongering bigots don’t understand this and just hide behind their religion preaching some bullshit that some man said, somewhere, sometime, saying it’s the truth. You religious fanatics are pathetic!
Wow! So, everyone that believes the Bible view of homosexuality and abortion is a moron and the people that worship their own feelings, instead of God, are superior? The problem with your attitude is that you want Hedonism to be the national religion and you have no tolerance for any other worldview. You, Hitler and radical Islam have a lot in common. Think about it.
back when the bible was written…fathers were giving their daughters for sex to their company that stayed in their house..from what i’m told for a woman to stay a virgin..they had to have anal sex..which is still practiced today..in the middle east…stoning still happens…This is 2014, we have birth control,women can vote, have a job, live on their own. I’ve known more gay couples who have stayed together longer than any straight marriage..Love is Love, you may say it’s not “hatred” but it is. Imagine if you were told you couldnt’ love your husband or wife because it was against my religion! You’re saying..you wouldn’t fight for your love? You and your Religion are pushing your beliefs on others they have no business doing. Go to the 700 club who has it’s own channel..i’m sure you could have the “Christian” channel and have these twin idiots of hatred on it..and you could watch it.
God established His design for marriage early in Genesis. One man, one woman, no exceptions. He’s a lot smarter than us and did this for our own good, not to ruin our “fun”. Choosing to go outside the boundaries of our Creator’s simple plan is deliberate rebellion and reveals contempt Him.
Before someone claims “but God made me gay” the bible says we were ALL born with proclivities/weaknesses toward a variety of sins due to the fall in the Garden. Every one of us is guilty of something.
Proverbs warns there may be pleasure in living a sinful lifestyle “for a season” but the price won’t be worth it in the end.
We can pretend God loves/supports our anti-biblical choices in life or turn to the only one who can free us from all unrighteousness … Jesus Christ. Those who seek His forgiveness with a sincere heart will have life eternal. No pet sin can compare to that.
The clock for planet earth is ticking …..
No, the morons are progressives who think the whole world should think like themselves. News flash; there are lots of free-thinkers out here and we will stick with our beliefs to the end.
Actually, all that happened is the gay bashers lost an opportunity to host a TV show because they have publicly bashed gay people.
And you, apparently, believe that they should be allowed to do so.
You have a right to hate gay people.
You DON’T have a right to a reality TV show.
You ARE an asshole.
Have a nice life.
This is the new garbage line that the s0d0my lobby is towing…
If christians have a backbone and boycott these shows, the minority homosexual lobby that is tyrannizing the apathetic majority will be destroyed…
Using a phrase like “sodomy lobby” doesn’t help whatever type of argument you may have for tolerance of thought. You sound like a bigot.
Personally I don’t like the policing – by both the left AND right – of every personality out there. It would be much more entertaining if HGTv had a gay couple on this show and let the two sides hear each other.
I think the Benham’s views are backwards but I’d much rather have them share them so we an have a conversation instead of silence.
Why not? The progs use “hatespeak” to incite their foot soldiers. “Anti-gay”, “bigot”, “teabagger”…you know them right?
Sodomy Lobby is merely giving them back what they dish out.
I will be removing the HGTV channel from the TV channel scan list. We will go to the channel for a specific show, but we will no longer “scan by” the HGTV channel.
They are trying to homogenize all shows on all channels. Hollywood -is- the Propaganda Ministry of the Far Left.
Hollywood is truly the Propaganda Ministry of the FAR LEFT..aka COMMUNIST PARTY… LET’S START CALLING THEM WHAT THEY ARE…. EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR FREEDOMS…. than let’s see them scream like a stuck hog…..
God bless ya, you are right.
Totally agree!
So True, Just find another channel to watch. No viewers = no advertising = loss.
Stand UP and Make a choice, turn to another channel
I absolutely have a right to hate anyone I choose.
I would ask you, where was it in the story that these men “publicly” said or did anything that was “ant” gay? Is it that their opinions and beliefs differ apparently from your own that was made public that troubles you that caused you to utter your vitriol and judgement? Live free or die “asshole” (to use your disgusting label) – that is, if you have the intestinal fortitude of your apparent “conviction”,
And I have the right to boycott HGTV and tell everybody I know to do the same.
No More HGTV for me, I am with you.
Yes, I will help pass the word.
No more HGTV in this house.
go to the 700 club, it’s more your speed
I have already been boycotting HGTV for years, after it stopped being about homes and gardens and became a real estate channel, with a sprinkle of “goofy-host” remodeling thrown in.
Same here. Might there be some crowdfunding opportunities for a cable station that actually concentrates on nothing else but the home and the garden ???? There’s enough political ideology flying around out there — I DON’T need it when I view design shows at home.
So true.
Exactly, let the free market decide, not the militant gays that are completely intolerant of any other point of view. Your view is a vocal minority, and your group has become intolerant narcissistic bullies. You’re on your own now. Open minded people used to have compassion for your cause. Now, you are just angry, hissy fit -having bullies.
So apparently you have the authority to say what people should and should not believe. And also that if people don’t think the right way that they should lose their job. So I hope that you agree with everything that society believes is correct for the rest of your life — unless you want to lose your job at some point in the future. Be warned, society changes its mind every ten or fifteen years.
Being anti-gay does not mean that you necessarily hate anyone — only that you believe it’s wrong. You ARE an asshole as well for demanding that these guys believe a certain way, and believing that it is right for them to lose their job over what they think and not for any action taken.
Fucking thought police. Watch this shit doesn’t come back and bite YOU in the ass.
You don’t get it..the progs want the state to control everything in our lives..what we think (the Gaystapo), what we eat (Mayor Bloomberg), what we do as “private” citizens (CEO of Mozilla), what we drive, what we wear, what we warm our homes wtih..everything, everything. They’re not frightened by the precendents being set by this kind of strongarming and silencing of others…they’re embracing it.
The fact these guys lost their show for not adhering to prog thought sends the progs into fits of ecstacy..look at their responses on this board…they’re loving this. You will think and speak and act as they say or you will be thrown out of society. They’re stepford wives..they’re groupthink, they’re thoroughly marinated and indoctrinated in progressive thought and activism.
They dont’ get it. They don’t see what they’re doing is harmful to all of us..progressive, conservative, libertarian, religious, irreligious..etc.
Liberals made homosexuals a protected class..they are adored, celebrated and exalted. Speak against them and you’re evil and worthy of any kind of reprisal against you. The psychosis has now set in..it’s intrinsic in the culture..homosexuals have gone beyond being a liberal protected class and are now sacrosanct. If you speak or think anything that is deemed “anti-gay” you are hunted for, targeted for reprisals and you will be harmed. The progs have created a culture that reacts violently and venomously to anyone that doesn’t tow the prog line on homosexuality.
Look at the story…a prog group called Right Wing Watch betrayed these men to HGTV and because HGTV bows at the altar of “diversity”…because that’s what prog orthodoxy says they should do..they were shown the door for not being good little prog tools. It’s Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany all over again. We will find you, we will expose you and you will be dealt with. So when you plead with the mind-numbed progs on these boards to look at what’s going on here..they laugh at you. They don’t get it and they don’t want to get it because the silencing of dissent is an essential component of statism and progressivism.
But you see…you can’t accomplish this without cloaking your agenda in benevolence and compassion. Just like Hitler did it for the German people and the Bolshevik revolution was to empower the proletariate…you have to give your causes the veneer of nobility and righteousness. So the progs invoke “civil rights” and “born this way” (you see..if you’re born this way..you shouldnt’ be criticized or questioned..after all..would you do that to a down syndrome child?..see how it works?). The progs have to normalize the abnormal so aberrant sexual behavior becomes “normal just different” or abortion becomes “womens’ health”. If you don’t think this has become a psychosis look at that you tube video of that poor soul who filmed her abortion and actually likened it to giving birth. She said it was a loving experience. Here’s the kicker..she kept the sonogram of the baby she killed and treasures it as if she actually loved the child and it was taken from her. You see? The progs have made the abnormal, normal. They have to its’ vital to their agenda of destroying traditional values. You see..human beings need structures that give them comfort and a sense of belonging. Traditionally that’s the family, it’s values and religion. These have to be removed because once they’re gone that need for belonging and comfort can be filled by statist/progressive organs..the organs of control. This isn’t conspiracy non-sense..this is marxism 101..this happened in Soviet Russia.
Violence, hate and spite are the currency of progressivism. They us to hate and despise another group. It keeps them organized, focused and active.
So again..plead all you want to with these progs..but it’s falling on deaf ears. They’re enjoying seeing the fascism of progressivism growing more powerful. In their eyes..silencing and removing everyone that doesnt’ agree with them is desired..nay required for the utopian society they envision. Oh don’t worry..many of them in the future will be targets of progressivism themselves..history has already taught us that lesson. But they dont’ believe it will happen to them..not this time anyway.
Very well said. Thank you!
Excellent comment. Absolutely agree. Would like to borrow and re-post elsewhere if I may?
Well said
Very well said, Tel. I completely agree. Bravo.
Shall only gays be “unbashable”, or can others also be given immunity from criticism? BTW, these brothers do not “hate gay people.” They do, however, decry the commandeering of the public education system by gay activists who are trying to take young impressionable kids and teach them that homosexual behavior is perfectly healthy and normal, both of which it is not.
Would you like the schools to also be used to teach kids about guns? Take them out to the shooting range weekly and let them fire live rounds? Read books about how wonderful it is to carry a gun, hold a gun, fire a gun, own lots of guns? Would that be something you’d go for? If not, how would you respond if you heard the local elementary school was incorporating gun training in their classes? Would you protest that? Would that make you a “hater” or a Constituion-basher?
How about books that taught kids to doubt “climate change”? Or ones that told them that we need more coal plants, or that the Koch brothers were America’s heroes? If you opposed the teaching of any of that, what kind of “basher” would you be? Who would you hate?
EXCELLENT points! Too bad the left is incapable of logical thought, so it’s basically a pearls cast before swine effort.
I just don’t understand what constitutes “hatred” in your viewpoint. “Homosexuals are a demon ideology that is destroying America” doesn’t meet your minimum standard?
The rest of your rant is a false analogy. Let’s teach kids that green is orange, and up is down, and saltwater is potable, and poisonous mushrooms make good soup. Facts are facts – they’re not moldable to anyone’s ideologies. Teaching facts doesn’t make anyone a “basher.” Teaching hatred and falsehoods to children ought to make anyone uncomfortable, regardless of the topic.
But you have your own “facts” wrong, Thomas Jefferson. The article didn’t state that one of the brothers said “homosexuals are a demon ideology”–which directly refers to a person–but rather that homosexuality, in his opinion, is a “demonic ideology”… BIG difference. One can still disagree with an ideology but care about someone who might hold that ideology, believe it or not.
Oh please – get off the ridiculous bandwagon about the Koch Brothers. You lefties all bow to George Soros and the Hollywood elite that bankroll every leftist liberal ideal out there. What a hypocrite!
Who are you to decide who has what rights?
He, along with the MAJORITY of others in this country support what the founders of the nation and the Christian God has said was “Right”. That’s who! Who ARE YOU to change that definition and understanding. You are certainly not GOD!!!
Sorry, Bill, but last time I checked people have a RIGHT to have a reality TV show if the network buys the show. You have a RIGHT to your opinion, and you have the RIGHT to be wrong, as well. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re an a******, it just means they disagree with you. They did not “bash” gay people, they expressed an opinion, much as you did. HGTV decided to cave in to the pressure from gay groups, which is their RIGHT. If they had decided to have a backbone and buy the show anyway, that would have been their RIGHT, and the gay groups would have had the RIGHT to protest. I’m sure you don’t agree with this, and that’s your RIGHT, which I respect and which I would defend to the death to allow you to do.
I’m sure the poster will have a very nice life. You have a nice eternal life. But I doubt it.
Question: What ever happened to tolerance?
Part of being tolerant is opposing views that are intolerant. Believing that gay people are evil is intolerant.
Believing that Christians who oppose the elevation of homosexuality are evil is intolerant.
So part of being tolerant is not tolerating an opinion different than your?
Gay people aren’t evil. Indoctrinating eight year olds is evil.
G.K. Chesterton once said that tolerance was the virtue of men who no longer believe in anything.
He was right.
Yes, the oppressed should be more tolerant of their oppressors. welsome to Bizarro World, Faith-Based Edition.
I am oppressed. I am a victim. Many others are wealthy, have big houses with servants, travel first class to great resorts. I am oppressed. I am a victim.
There’s no such thing at tolerance any more. It has been replaced with compliance. Those who do not goose step behind the left and embrace their ideology are to be ostracized. It reminds me of a car I saw in Richmond, VA. It had numerous bumper stickers about climate change, gay rights, and (of course) the ubiquitous “Coexist” sticker. Underneath was a bumper sticker that read “Stop Inbreeding. Ban Country Music”. You see, that’s how these “high educated”, “open minded” hipsters think. The only culture that’s right is THEIR culture. And yet they will never see the irony in this.
The absolute ignorance exhibited here is astounding! The fact that normal people don’t care to associate with “deviants”, does not indicate that they “hate” them. How stupid can you be?
The fact you coined people as “normal” and “deviant” is intolerant and ignorant as well. Check the mirror for “stupid”.
Check the dictionary for “Normal” and “deviant”. You’ll find the person you are criticizing is correct.
Agree or disagree…that’s what this country is all about! Ok so they’re against homosexuality, what does that have to do with what the show was about?? So if the tables get turned one day and someone is FOR homosexuality, should you lose YOUR job? Censorship is shutting down views other than your own. Have a debate, call them names (which seems to be your specialty), but why rob them of their show? I guess it’s to punish them for the viewpoint that differs from your own? Wow…so it’s come to this in our country. Sad and really, really bad news. So in future everyone, be sure if you disagree with someone else, shut up and keep it to yourself! Yup, that’s what the founders of American wanted for us all.
Great points all around and I totally agree with you!
He didn’t bash gay people, only your agenda to force your beliefs down our throats, pun not intended. It is the radical gay agenda that you media types following, and which you intend to control the thoughts of real Americans and their children. Have a nice afterlife, in hell.
Just because I do not agree with you does not mean that I hate you. I can love someone and not condone their actions. Loving someone is not agreeing to everything they do and believe. The only hatred I see is the hatred from the left to those who oppose their ideas and beliefs.
You too have the option of being an a$$hole with your opinion and you have succeeded. We will not try to take that away from you. I am sure you will show your colors many more times in your life.
Everyone has the right to hate anyone they want, just like its ok for gay activist to hate none gay people. What is wrong and is going to get this channel sued is if these two were fired because of their religious beliefs. You know the 1st amendment stuff that liberals hate unless its for muslims, or for gay rights. Gays are the new bullies.
Actually, we do have the right to hate whomever we want.
Homosexuality is a behavior, not an identity.
Criticize homosexuality all you want.
Tell me more about how it is correct and proper to deny these brothers a job because they chose to disagree with your opinions of sexual preferences and life choices. Would your opinion be so lofty and judgmental if it were a gay couple that was denied the same opportunity for employment based on their opinions of sexual preferences and life choices? SMH @ hypocrisy.
“You ARE an asshole”
Why, because he doesn’t agree with you? You’re probably an expert though when it comes to assholes.
Actually, YOU are the sphincter. I’m gay. They have a right to their opinions. ALL of their opinions. Each and every one of their opinions. If I had my way there would be an AMENDMENT to the constitution ENSURING they have a right to their opinions. And if it was up to ME I’d make it the very FIRST amendment. They ain’t gay dumbass. They simply disagree!!! Grow the phck up.
Please read this post someone put on the board. I agree with this comment.
Agree or disagree…that’s what this country is all about! Ok so they’re against homosexuality, what does that have to do with what the show was about?? So if the tables get turned one day and someone is FOR homosexuality, should you lose YOUR job? Censorship is shutting down views other than your own. Have a debate, call them names (which seems to be your specialty), but why rob them of their show? I guess it’s to punish them for the viewpoint that differs from your own? Wow…so it’s come to this in our country. Sad and really, really bad news. So in future everyone, be sure if you disagree with someone else, shut up and keep it to yourself! Yup, that’s what the founders of American wanted for us all.
antigay activism and gay bashing are 2 different things.
There are plenty of gay hosts on television and even more on home type shows.
Can straight people have representatives in media too?
They even have their own channel–LOGO.
There is plenty of gay representation on HGTV. These guys didn’t flaunt their point of view, they had to be searched out by “Right Wing Watch”.
What’s next from Hollywood – Yellow Stars of David and Crosses?
Go fuck yourself –
You call them Gay bashers but I call them christians. And no one has said that they HATE gay people but they believe that the lifestyle is wrong. When will you liberals stop putting words in other peoples mouths. Stop the lies and the bullying. Liberals are lemmings!
So these brothers led prayer rallies, publically, against homosexuality because their religion says it’s ‘wrong”…some would call that “bashing” , you call it religion, either way there’s no “tolerance” there. But now that the channel has used their right not to broadcast a show in which the hosts claim millions of gay citizens are living in “sin” amongst a myrad of other baseless claims…you feel hurt? Booohooo
Christians and all religious people for that matter need to stop being hypocrits and practice what they claim to preach! ALL children are God’s children, gay or not! People are BORN gay and the claim is that “God” doesn’t make mistakes so get over yourselves and stop trying to discriminate against people who are different than you and using religion to justify it..
I am a fiscal conservative Republican and I have no problems with gays. I live
in Washington State and I voted for gay marriage. I have many gay friends and they
wonderful kind people. Every Republican that I know is for gay marriage as well.
Christians …lmao. you follow a book that was written before anyone knew anything about the earth,science,weather etc. Jesus, from the way he came about, is a demi-God. I know more Christians who cheat on their significant others than any other “group” of people…they are hypocrites!! and believe me…there are a lot of Christians who are closet gays…you live in a bubble. Liberals are bullying?? do you live completely as the bible says?? which was written by men ..who’s views are different from each others. It’s fiction. the “men” who are incharge of these so called churches are having sex with their congregations..with male and females…if you say they aren’t..you are wrong. hypocrites
And you are a Christophobe Bigot.
You have a right to express an opinion on GAYs
Yes Dennis you do..then that expression of that right is sought out, exposed, handed over to your enterprise or the media and used to destroy your life if you don’t be silent or adhere to the prog agenda. Either as private citizen or your business..it doesnt’ matter, you thoughts are now illegal if they’re not thoughts approved by progressives.
This has happened too many times now. The progs don’t care because control of thought and dissent is necessary for them.
At least mine is not bored out!
EVERYONE, I MEAN EVERYONE, has a right to their opinion, you may not like it, but we ALL have that right!! AND you have the right to disagree with it, BUT you don’t have the right to destroy someone or their career because you disagree. where’s the tolerance now? hypocrite.
There is no freedom from the _condequences_ of Free Speech , especially when expressed in aggressive public attacks. The brothers are boneheads and got what they deserved. They can always sell their show to the Fundamentalist Christian TV Network.
I must have missed the part where they used the as yet un-aired and now canceled show as their bully pulpit to bash gays.
Apparently they did bash gays under their right to free assembly.
I am also pretty god-damned tired of 3-6% of the general population holding everyone else hostage to their beliefs. I don’t hate gays, but I have a hard time believing that a practice that goes against survival of the species and flies in the face of the of Darwin’s theory can be anything more than a choice.
Here’s a novel idea. How about we all keep our sexuality to ourselves and our partners and maybe our family members. No one else cares.
You said it perfectly.
Why does it always revert to name calling? People can agree to disagree. You can not get around the fact of life that the purpose of the sex drive is procreation. Therefore the acceptance of homosexuality is a societal question not a natural fact. Most Americans, I believe, hold no ill will toward homosexuals. I don’t understand why homosexuals feel so much animosity toward people who wish not to accept their view of the world.
So, ole Bill here, he’s tolerant and inclusive of anybody. As long as they agree with him.
What a hypocrite you are Bill.
Bill, the content and tone of your comment speak volumes about your character and ethics. You might do well to sit on the sidelines until you can give a thoughtful, considerate response to the comments of others. Your attitude is the very reason so many are sick and tired of the whiners who must always have it “their way” to the detriment of others!! We used to be a country that valued free speech – even if you didn’t like what was being said. That is no longer the case. Please understand, Bill, that those of you who embrace a gay lifestyle and/or empathize/sympathize with same will not fair well in the coming/current Fascist regime. History is replete with examples.
“Bashers”? “Hate”? Nowhere here but in your mind.
This is another example of the media’s attack upon Christians and Christianity. This should wake up many more people to the struggle that needs to take place. If Christians don’t stand up now and fight for fair treatment and their Constitutional rights that are being stripped from them, we deserve what we get.
You say they are “gay-bashers” ! I am not sure what that means but it implies violence. Have the brothers used violence? It seems that you demonize them for having an opinion different from yours, and attempt to paint them with a nasty brush to win your argument
Maybe the Ministry of Love can force them into a re-education camp.
love it…. hahahaha
I don’t believe they have said they “hate” gays, they just disagree with their belief that members of the same sex have a right to marry. Since when is it against the law to disagree with someone in America. Both sides of the gay issue need to stand back and take a deep breath. A “civil union” with the same rights as a “married couple” answers the problem. However, neither side is ready to accept that solution and until both sides do, we will have conflict. According to EVERYTHING published prior to 1990, a marriage was between a MAN and a WOMAN the problem is semantics, marriage is and should be still the same and a civil union introduced for those of one sex that want to join in a deep relationship with a member of the same sex.
BRAVO !
Where’s the hypocrisy? If instead of being publicly anti-gay they were anti-semitic or racist, would the result not be the same and as well deserved? Bravo to HGTV I say.
I personally don’t give a crap what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms. However you make an apples and oranges comparison. Many Christians and Orthodox Jews have a moral biblically based opposition to homosexuality but not the homosexual. Tolerance of lawful behavior should be expected in a civil society; acceptance is optional.
To render these people persona non grata for not sharing your opinion is flat out wrong and not helping the LGBT agenda. In fact it is having the opposite effect. The Gay Mafia is becoming less sympathetic almost daily…
Finally, a voice of sanity. Thank you.
Amen. I used to look upon the gay rights agenda with bemused indifference. But their militant neo-McCarthyism has turned me to open hostility.
Let me thank the intolerant Left for confirming what I’ve long suspected of it.
lol. Thanks for making anyone who reads this laugh. Nutjob!
hgtv is making a commercial decision… they are not kowtowing to anyone or a “liberal agenda”. Just trying not to offend a target demographic and to keep the show about the substance. Plus, I doubt the brothers are the absolute best to teach the lesson of the show, but are to attract viewership.
As a larger point, this was a bad decision to bring social conservatives into the party of capitalism. We’re paying the price for the Nixon strategy. A real shame for the party of true libertarians and fiscal conservatives to have to cater to those that play cafeteria religion with the old and new testaments and point to the agendas of people that want equality as demonic.
“hgtv is making a commercial decision… they are not kowtowing to anyone or a ‘liberal agenda’.”
Thank you for making our point so eloquently. Yes, HGTV is making a business decision to cater to the intolerance of its audience.
If the gay community practiced the same tolerance toward Christians that it demands from Christians, the Benhams views wouldn’t even be an issue, especially on a show in which they’re unlikely to even come up. Personally, I have no problem watching a gardening show with a gay host, since his views on same-sex marriage are irrelevant to the show. A good gardening tip is a good gardening tip, whatever sexual orientation or political opinions the presenter might have.
Apparently — or at least so say you — HGTV’s predominantly gay audience is decidely less tolerant.
Exactly
I think it that were to happen, those who disagree & are disgusted with those viewpoints would not watch the show and pretty soon ratings would be so bad for lack of viewership that the show would be cancelled. Same with these guys who are anti-gay…if enough people disagree with them and are disgusted with them, the result will be that no one will tune in, ratings will sink and the show will go away. Why not let the market place decide these things? Am I wrong? (And if you response, please try not to call me a name…I know you can do it.)
Exactly! If this truly is a business decision, then quit being so emotional about it. Air the show and let the chips fall where they may. It’s called capitalism. (That’s not a banned word yet, is it?)
If they were anti Christian I am sure it would be fine
There are just certain things that aren’t going to be tolerated anymore. Sorry if that bothers you. If they were Nazis, would you feel the same way?
Would it be okay if they were communists? We seem to have no problem with that group in entertainment or politics! How about those that discriminate against traditional marriage. Is that okay?
“Discriminate against traditional marriage?” What does that even mean? If people were against man-woman marriage, then I would agree with you. Having homosexuals marry in no way affects the rights of opposite sex partners to marry. It only affects their right to discriminate against homosexuals by defining marriage as excluding them. Sorry, but opposing that is not discrimination.
Communists — it’s hilarious how that word (and Socialist) are thrown around these days to incite fear, when the people using the words have no idea what they mean, or realize that none of these abstract terms have anything to do with the fact that cilization inists on moving forward, no matter how much some try to drag it back into the Dark Ages.
Yeah Travis..like “Gay bashers”, “anti-gay”, “anti-marriage equality”…thrown around these days to incite fear, when people using the words have no idea what they mean, or realise that none of these abstract terms have anything to do with fact that civilization insists on moving forward, no matter how much they try to drag us back into the Dark Ages.
To which…if as a private citizen you are caught not adhering to progressive thought on homosexuality you will be exposed to your enterprise or the media and you will be targetd for reprisals. Dissent is not tolerated in a “civilization that insists on moving forward”. Isn’t that right Trav?
Don’t drag the democratic party into this.
Ummmm… yeah, they probably would.
@babagingo said: ‘There are just certain things that aren’t going to be tolerated anymore.’
You mean like Christianity?
Said the tolerance King. You gay fascists gave become a caricature of yourselves and are too stupid to recognize it. “Free expression for ALL”…..as long as they say what you tell them too, huh?
“There are just certain things that aren’t going to be tolerated anymore. Sorry if that bothers you. If they were Nazis, would you feel the same way”
That’s exactly what Hitler said. Aren’t you a good little Nazi.
There are no two sides to bigotry and if you want to be an anti-gay activist, pick an industry that doesn’t have a large proportion of gays in it. It’s the decorating channel for Frak’s sake. Not to mention the enormous waste of time it is to be an activist against something someone else does in his or her life with other adults. When last I checked not being gay is not a cause. Just Don’t be gay yourself if it bothers you so damn much and take all that BS energy and cure a disease or something.
Who is Frak?
as a supporter of gay marriage and gays in general,I find this country is in serious trouble when what you think or even say in your private live and if it disagrees with whomever is your employer,must be terminated….sad
Making a speech outside of the DNC convention is not your “private life.”
Yes but Carol…you let this get to this point. What are you going to do about it?
So you believe sterling should not be punished, made to sell the team and not be ostracized by the entire country? I’m just trying to get this straight.
So, what you’re saying is that, if someone criticizes Christianity and loses his job for it, he shouldn’t feel like he’s a victim…he should just go find an industry that doesn’t have a large proportion of Christians in it to work in?
The Nazis did just that when they forced jews into ghettos and “designated areas”. Of course you’re tolerated..your rights are respected by the Reich…but take them over there in the place we alloted to you..for now.
They do very little decorating on that channel.
yeah gay dry wallers that the ticket!
Can we work at curing your “spiritual disease”?
Conform in actions, speech end even thought or you will be ground into the dirt by the intolerant, Fascist Gay Mafia. Your job will be gone, your family broken, your assets confiscated and you will be imprisoned if need be. DIFFERENT OPINIONS MUST BE LABELLED AS HATE, HATE DO YOU HEAR?. What makes some people think they have the right to think in a way non-consistent with gay convention? Who do these people imagine themselves to be , free Americans????/HAHAHAHAHA . ANYONE with a different opinion MUST BE CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You seem to think that religiously fueled anti-gay sentiment is somehow equal to a message of equality and inclusion. The messages could not be more different. HGTV does not want to give a showcase to ignorant bigots, and nor should they.
i’m curious….is being against beastiality bigoted? is being against incest bigoted? is being against murder bigoted? what about rape? how is believing something is wrong bigoted? by being against Christians makes YOU the bigot. guess tolerance only goes one way. Are you going to say anything about ISLAM which believes in STONING homosexuals? got something hateful to say to muslims?
Ah… the ol’ homosexuality = beastiality/murder argument. Sorry, reasonable people just don’t buy that nonsense. Next.
Funny, 20 years ago, people would have said the same about homosexuality. Please, all you represent is a change in dates and opinions. Change doesn’t always mean right. Next.
You didn’t answer his question.
Next? How about answering his question about Islam? All I heard was a bunch of crickets.
@M Miller – Actually reasonable people don’t buy YOUR nonsense. Next!
Miller… do a little research on bestiality and the Netherlands. They were one of the first to allow open homosexual behavior. Now, bestiality is not a prosecutable crime as long as the animal is not tortured. Wake up! Don’t allow the “un-natural” to become acceptable.
Beastiality, rape and murder do not involve consenting adults. Incest usually forms around abuse, and leads to deformed children. And you are the only one talking about Christianity. I have not seen one person on this board say anything about it. Unless you define Christianity as being solely an anti-gay group and nothing else, then I don’t see anyway to interpret being against anti-gay bigots as bashing Christianity.
It’s anti christian because you are discriminating against someone’s religious beliefs by firing them. Tolerance works both ways. You want to show tolerance, then hire the people you disagree with HGTV.
“Beastiality, rape and murder do not involve consenting adults.”
Yeah, and it used to be that “marriage” didn’t used to involve same sex couples.
Seems like the next step is simply to change the definition of “consenting” like they did “marriage.” What’s the big deal?
Don’t drag reasonable people into your crazy holy war. Bigotry will be opposed whether it is from a Christian, a Muslim or an Atheist. And I’m not sure where you get any ideas otherwise.
Your comment highlights PERFECTLY why it’s justified that these guys lose the right to host a tv show and any accompanying public celebrity it would bring. If it was discovered that these men had actively protested outside of a political convention for the right to practice bestiality, incest, murder, and rape and lost their job as a result…would that be bigoted? Our society has decided that those things are unacceptable and illegal..so our society will not be rewarding people that believe in them. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t still people that support those behaviors and actually believe they have a right to perform them.
Whether you like it or not our society has decided that the gayness is something that takes place between two consenting adults and no longer deserves institutionalized descrimination.
God bless us all!
Orbus….God is trying to bless us all, but the homosexual lobby is rejecting His blessings by disobeying His laws. If you love God, you will keep His commandments…if you love hedonism more, you are rejecting His laws, love and blessings.
Give me a break! Rape and bestiality involve harming an individual or individuals because they can not consent, period! If children are involved in the incest, which is generally the case, then that is also a case of consent. A child cannot consent. And murder? Do I really need to explain this to you?
You seem to think that simply being a person of faith makes one a homophobe and not worthy of making a living. If the F-word was used ok, no show. But they have done NOTHING wrong. It’s a fucking shame that people like you are so hateful, that by merely disagreeing with homosexuality is equal to banishment from one’s dreams. You, asshole, are the intolerant one.
Man, you know nothing about the “faith,” I think, aside from the talking points your heard out in the world. And you probably go around thinking people who believe in things like “faith” are sheep. I am surprised anyone in this world is anything more than sheep.
So, it’s “hateful” to disagree with things people do, but it’s not “hateful” to hate other “haters” opinions. You’re all in the same gene pool as the hypocritical morons, you try to point out.
::yawn::
They literally protested in Washington DC attempting to squash the rights of law abiding citizens just because they were born gay. In what world is that “doing nothing wrong?” You’re right about one thing: not all Christians are bigots but you certainly don’t prove that.
born homosexual? really? you might want to join the 21st century
Uhhhh, yeah. Seeing as I was born gay myself I think I have a little bit of insight into this.
Funny how you just said “people are hateful because they disagree.” Disagreeing not only doesn’t equal hate it has nothing to do with it. I disagree with how all 4 of my siblings raise their kids but I don’t hate ANY of them. I even disagree with God on a few things, but it doesn’t mean I hate him. You need to learn the definition of tolerance, love, and hate. Good luck.
I’m sorry. I must have missed the episode where they discussed gay rights. If the show isn’t about that subject, why should they be fired for stating their views in a totally different place and context? What about if one of the female hosts marched in a pro-life rally? Should she be fired? Where do you draw the line?
Elf, you’re displaying your ignorance and intolerance of someones religion while accusing them of being ignorant bigots. Ah, the irony.
Yes, they must be crushed for having an opinion different than yours. Simply label any differing thought as HATE or BIGOTRY and it makes it so much easier doesn’t it, you Fascist Pig! I hear they have openings for guards at the Concentration Camp….you should apply, you have the perfect credentials.
Why don’t you guys give them a show where they talk about stoning people who are gay while fixing houses? instead of flooding the comments section to defend every racist, homophobic ect white person who says some bulls88t. They cut off the show American Muslim because they said it didn’t promote the idea that they were terrorists. some right wing nut started a letter writing group and got Lowes to pull sponsorship. did you protest and flood the pages with trolls
What you call an “ignorant bigot” is a “faithful Christian”. Name calling does not defend the aberrant behavior that is damaging to both body, mind and soul. Love of God must be our first goal so that we understand what love of neighbor means. If you don’t love God First and Best, you end up failing at understanding what it means to love your neighbor…instead, you indulge your neighbor in allowing them to wallow in sinfulness….you become lukewarm to sin and society becomes further damaged by sin. Perhaps it is you that are “ignorant” of God’s desire for mankind?
How come any dissent is intolerable among the open minded left? sodomy okie dokie…speaking out against it for the numerous facts about how hazardous it is…is bigoted. does that not make you the bigot?
I guess to you firing someone for having a different opinion is considered tolerant and inclusive. I think the problem with the left and right is they have different definitions for those words.
Spoken like a true racist during the civil rights movement. HGTV probably lost a lot of money with this decision but they are sticking up for what is right. That’s pretty commendable. It’s 2014. You should know by now that if you hold prejudiced beliefs and actively try to limit the rights of other people, you are going to find it difficult to find a career as a public figure. Especially on a network like HGTV. I’m pretty sure (at least I’d hope so, but you never know which people like you) that if these guys had been advocating for racist legislature as opposed to homophobic legislature you’d see no problem with HGTV’s decision. Why is this situation any different?
Race is a physical characteristic, gay is a behavior. It is not the same thing and a bad comparison.
Gay is not a behavior. You can’t change your sexuality anymore than you can change your skin color. Just because the comparison makes you feel guilty doesn’t mean it’s a bad comparison. In fact, it means it’s a pretty good one.
Ummmmmm people change their sexuality all the time!!!
I know several people who’ve changed their sexuality!
Well, if we’re going to be completely truthful, it’s still unknown whether people are “born gay”. So, either side claiming to know the truth is just giving conjecture. Secondly, race and sexual orientation are NOT the same thing, nor are they equal. One cannot hide their race. Sexual orientation is nobody’s business and you won’t know until someone makes it a point to tell you. Race is worn on the outside. There’s no hiding it. When you look at someone, you know their race. It’s a MUCH harder life for people who are mistreated because of racism. That’s such an unfair comparison to make. It just shows people’s ignorance when they compare the civil rights movement and the mistreatment of blacks to being gay. The only way people know if you’re gay is if you make it their business. Race is inescapable. You’re making a very ignorant false equivalence. Being gay =/= being black (or any other race who is mistreated). That is a huge oversimplification and it demonstrates that you have put much thought into this.
*haven’t put much thought into this
Sorry, typo. Auto-correct on my tablet is kind of screwy.
I’m sorry but it is. Any claims that people are born with a “Gay Gene” are trying to make claims that science just can’t support. Will it be able to support it in the future? Maybe, maybe not. However, if your argument is true then how did one of my friends decide to stop being gay and is now happily married? Is he still gay despite loving his wife?
Yes gay is a behavior and no race and sexuality are not the same. If it is then pedophiles are ok because they are born that way. It is their sexuality and by your standards they cant change it. Now we dont throw people in jail because they have sexual feelings for children until they ACT upon it. Thereby making the action of engaging in sex a behavior. So take you nazi, hateful ways towards Christians and shut up.
You, sir, are an idiot.
“Gay is not a behavior. You can’t change your sexuality anymore than you can change your skin color.”
Really??! It happens all the time. I never heard of people waking up one day and saying, “I’m no longer white. Today I am black” or “I’m Italian but today I’m going to be African-Chinese”.
People flip their sexuality, often young people who have been skewed by the ‘gay is awesome’ propaganda crowd end up growing up regretting it and getting married (real marriage) and having kids.
There is no logical comparison of sodomy to skin color. It’s asinine.
You are absolutely wrong!!! 100s of 1000s have admitted to changing their homosexual lifestyle. I am one! Have been married to a WOMAN (whom I love fully and dearly) for over 25 years! I was in the lifestyle for 3 years in my teens! IT IS PURELY BEHAVIOR AND SELF-INDULGENCE!
Being gay is “an attraction” to the same sex, it doesn’t mean that you have to perform sexual acts with those same sex persons. A gay person who ACTS on the attraction CHOOSES to have sex, they are not coerced, they have free will and choose to do what they do. The same can be said for a heterosexual person. They too can CHOOSE to sin through committing adultery, fornication and such. All people have free will. We are all responsible for our CHOICES / ACTIONS. We are not responsible for our “attractions”.
you are allowed to believe as you wish, how ever they are not. does that seem fair to you?
To all the people who think being gay is a choice I have to ask, at what point in your life did you wake up one morning and choose whether you’d be straight or gay?
You didn’t!
Being gay is not a choice and you can’t pray the gay away, you’re just fooling yourself if you believe that.
I’ve known too many gay people in my travels and not one of them ever said it was a choice, only that at a very young age, they knew something about them was “different”.
Truthfully, I’d rather have a gay couple for neighbors than some uptight, bible thumping, judgmental Christian.
Seen it tons of times. Friends choosing one side of the game and back to the other. You are not born homo/hetero. If you were to imply that, you would imply that offshoot is a dead genetic code. Procreation is null. I know you don’t want to go down that path of calling a choice a genetic defect?
So all those people who thought they were homosexual, got treatment and went on to lead normal, fulfilled heterosexual lives are just figments of our imagination?
It works two ways champ. It’s not genetically imprinted.
Oh for goodness sake, I had forgotten how conservative the majority of the commenters on this site were. Not once did I say that gay = black. That would be ridiculous. What I tried to explain was that you are no more justified to attack someone for their skin color as you are for their sexual orientation. I love seeing all of you argue that you can change your sexuality. For you people I think you have a bunch of self discovery to do, because, I don’t know about you guys, but I can’t change my sexuality. If you seem convinced that you could easily change your “straightness” then you don’t sound so straight to me. I was born gay. I’ve known I was gay since my earliest memories of life. So no, I don’t need a scientist to discover the gay gene to know that. Unlike YOU, I know what it feels like to be gay. YOU don’t. So don’t tell me what it’s like to be gay.
Gay is a preference. Nothing more. Gay behavior increases in places it is tolerated and decreases in places where it is not. It must rely on the coersion of the sexually confused in order to increase their numbers and gain mainstream status. If not promoted, history has shown gay populations are 2.5-5% of the general public. The American public generally doesn’t care about this issue, but doesn’t approve of openly gay behavior in public. The effort to jam acceptance down the throats of average Americans by Hollywood and bastions of the left is definitely not appreciated by the majority of Americans, regardless of ethnicity, race or religion.
So believing in traditional marriage as the standard is a form a racism? So civilization has been racist for a couple thousand years? So only in recent years we are so enlightened as to see the truth that dismantling traditional marriage will be better for society. If love is the only criteria for marriage, then one man should be able to marry two men right? Cause he loves them. The reason for traditional marriage is for the betterment and stability of society overall. Is it unfair to Gays? Yes. Are a lot of laws unfair to some people? Yes. That does not make the law a bad one. Overall good for society needs to be addressed when forming laws. The family is the foundation of a stable society. Destroying traditional marriage will fracture that stability. And fighting to disallow a person to work and make money fractures the concept of freedom and liberty, which this country was founded upon.
If society does decide in favor of homosexuality – the Christian God will not Bless us for it! God has said the ONLY valid expression of sexuality is within the bounds of holy matrimony! So out of wedlock mothers, deadbeat biological fathers and homosexuals are committing fornication which God calls a no-no and sin. Emotional intimacy of an erotic nature/Sex/copulation is only to be expressed in the privacy of MARRIAGE. God says it; that settles it!
succinctly put
Thank you for this comment, Darren. So many people just don’t understand the importance of marriage on our society and refuse to even look at the evidence of what it would mean once destroyed. Simply look to the breakdown of the black family in relationship to the current circumstances of many black people and it’s really quite obvious. Anyway, you stated it perfectly and I appreciate that you took the time to write it.
Yes, a pair of twin hate-mongerers turning a fixer-upper into an extravagant tax/upkeep moneypit the needy family will never be able to actually afford and will be foreclosed upon within a year, is a really wonderful cause gone to waste. Do your research before you speak.
Whateve– You are an intolerant, bigoted clown. The same view you chastise the commenter for as lacking research is the premise of the program itself. So you also attack the views of the very programmers you are seeking to defend. Hypocrite much?
If you look up what happened to some of the people who got new houses from shows like Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, you will see that they end up owing ridiculous amounts of taxes and having other financial problems. At least some of them had to sale. Not all of these shows families had happy ever afters, but what did the networks care? They got their show and their viewers and their advertising dollars, so what if after the team pulled out it didn’t continue to be all fluffy-bunny and warm feelings?
There is no way this show could have been a “great cause” when the two hosts are bigoted, hate-spewing homophobes.
Can you quote one thing of “hate” they said? Of course not. You’re a fucking drama-queen and HGTV should be ashamed of themselves.
There is no such phobia callled “homophobia” ,
It’s just a poltical attack word , first coined by NAMBLA in the 60’s
NAMBLA lol. What a hoot. Don’t see many people driving their cars around with NAMBLA bumper stickers. Do we?
Disagreeing with does not mean hate. Speaking does not mean spewing. Nice tries though.
Is your brain really that broken? Apparently so.
HGTV isn’t Hollywood. I guess this decision is another case of the one-sided view of Knoxville.
I agree with Dapper Dan.
@TCOMP – That’s like saying Hitler gave to charity, so we should look beyond his evil activities.
This show does not come from Hollywood. It is produced by HGTV which is based in Knoxville Tennessee.
Stop playing the victim card ALL THE TIME!!!!
Mike, just because you represent the knee-jerk liberal rapid response team doesn’t mean you shouldn’t check your facts first. Scripps Networks has a headquarters in Knoxville, but also has production studios and offices in NYC and LA. The majority of the shows are not produced in Knoxville. You need to stop being the victim.
The reason the show is filmed in Knoxville TN., is because it’s cheaper than Hollywood Ca.! The taxes in california are so high, many production Co film shows elsewhere to make a bigger profit. It is Hollywood! Look it up!!!!
Yes… you’re entitled to your personal views. But let’s be honest. The HGTV audience is predominately women and gay men. That demographic might feel alienated by the stars’ anti-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric. This is a HGTV business decision.
Similarly, Donald Sterling is entitled to his views and personal beliefs but he employees a predominately black team. Do you see the potential conflict?
Look on the bright side, the Benham Brothers now have a platform and a spotlight. And in our current culture that means everything, should they choose to cash in. We will see.
Potential conflict? More like a bunch of adult babies.
If I got paid millions of dollars to basically have fun, I could care less what management that is half a dozen degrees away from me thinks of me personally.
None of the poor, benighted little millionaires who were offended by Don Tokowitz would want to work for someone who loved them but only paid them $30K per year.
I would like to see your definitive polling of people who watch HGTV. I know plenty of straight men who watch the shows on that channel. Also, just because you are a woman does NOT mean you support homosexuality…or do you have some numbers on that as well.
Stop being an uneducated idiot.
Thank you. As a woman, I am completely against abortion. I can’t stand when people assume that I’m pro-abortion just because I’m female. I have a very strong maternal instinct and I value ALL life. I’m sick of the stereotypes of women that are used by the left. Not all women want to murder their babies purely for convenience. Some of us value life and believe in taking responsibility for our actions instead of making another person suffer for our negligence. I have nothing against gays. I just am not into all the gay stuff, personally. “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and all those kinds of shows have no appeal for me. So, not all women are into gay-centric shows. That’s another silly stereotype, that all women have tons of gay male friends and love all things gay. I’m indifferent. I judge people as individuals. Anyone who can’t shut up about their sex life and sexual proclivities (gay or straight) is not someone that I really want to be around.
Whoever said anything about gays talking about their sex lives? Don’t assume that just because someone lives a life different from yours that it makes them some kind of crude caveman.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
I actually live in a VERY VERY tolerant area, so let me just let you in on a little secret. Bravo, TLC, HGTV, FoodNetwork, and similar channels or shows are what some ignorant’s know as “gay networks”. “Say yes to the Dress” might just be the #1 most watched show by the gay population, and I can tell you now my Uncles and all their gay friends LOVE HGTV and FoodNetwork. You can pretend all you want, but if you watch HGTV your watching a “gay” network, and that means if you love HGTV…………………… HAHAHA LOL bet that pissed you off.
It is interesting, is it not, that not a single player has resigned from the Clippers yet in protest of their teams’ owners’ viewpoints?
Similarly, if the Benham brothers were really as the diephobes want to portray them, they should have never signed up to HGTV in the first place.
Incredibly stupid move by ball-less HGTV. I guess they’ll fill that spot was even MORE episodes ad nasuem of “House Hunters.” The fools.
Really!
I guess if they can decide to not put on someone that may disagree with their agenda, then I can not watch HGTV because thier censorship is counter to what I believe. I guess we see who isn’t tolerant.
Keeping with my reverse boycotting ways, this is another network to NOT watch. Damn. Down to only 547 channels now!
So as long as I can refuse to hire a person because they support gay rights then okay. However, I don’t the liberal open-minded people will agree to support me like they do HGTV.
Quite simply, the HGTV channel hates moral purity, and anyone who believes in it. Look across the land, and note who is getting fired, sued and harassed, and you can tell instantly where the hate is.
I’m sure happy to see the tolerance that these groups claim to want, so badly, being applied to ALL!
HGTV tosses First Amendment to the US Constitution and deprives viewers of some caring twins making life better for poor people.
What, you didn’t already know that?
…and following a special meeting of the USCCB, the bishops of the Catholic Church came out with a strong condemnation of this outrageous anti-God action by HGTV. Speaking with one strong voice the bishops went on further to say that…oh wait a minute, my mistake. They didn’t say a word. In fact, like every other report of this nature they were as silent as lambs. Perhaps they were drafting up another solicitation of funds letter to air them in their humanist re-distribution of wealth effort.
May God have mercy on their souls.
Agree. You’d think they signed a contract that hired them on the merits of the work they were doing, not their political/personal beliefs. So now people can’t succeed in this world if they disagree with you too.
I smell a discrimination lawsuit LOL!!! Freedom from religious persecution works both ways. The bullied have now become the bullies.
Feel honored, if Hollywood hates you, your values and morality are probably dead on.
Free speech is trampled in the the name of political correctness…It is past time for a CONSERVATIVE PUSHBACK.
Like Mozilla’s firing, and a ton of similar attacks and sanctions of anti-gay “bigots” (people who disagree with the gay lifestyle and so-called ‘gay marriage’), disagreement is now viewed as hate. I’ve got to hand it to Progressives: they don’t mind Witch Hunts, Inquisitions, Closets, Smears, and Workplace Retaliation & Discrimination … so long as they’re perpetrating it!!
The network has a clear, obvious pro-homosexual agenda. I stopped watching (my form of “outrageous” protest) when every other episode featured a gay couple on the 2 or 3 shows I used to like. What are the odds that less than 2-3% of marriages/relationships would be so disproportionately represented on the network’s shows? Please.
If you pay for cable or satellite tv, you are supporting this garbage. Buy a streaming device, like a Roku, and quit supporting homosexual shows and far left networks.
HGTV made a business and not moral a decision. The hosts’ efforts to deny gays the rights they themselves enjoy would affect the show’s viewership to a point where the network couldn’t get ad revenue necessary to make it worth broadcasting. Everyone’s free to express his/her views on any subject. Not everyone has a right to a TV show, though. It’s economics, not fascism.
That said, gay-haters are just mad the gays and their straight supporters are putting up with less and less of their feces.
Amen… people have cloaked slavery, disallowing suffrage, mixed-race marriage, and homosexuality in the bible. You religious pick and choose what you want to believe from your texts as long as it affects someone else and allows you to live your life. But, as Chris Murphy says, it is a human issue, and as voters in the HGTV economic decisions, we are putting up with less and less hyprocrisy – not from your point of view as much as your choosing to look past divorce (which Jesus spoke against more than most anything else according to your gospels) and instead focusing on two issues that he never utters a word about, abortion (which was allowed in Jesus’ day up to 40 days after conception, which he never commented on btw), and homosexuality.
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Anyone that thinks homosexuality is a choice has never been a 12 year old and have warm, fuzzy feelings towards the opposite sex. I sure never made that decision. If I was forced to be celibate so that God still accepted me, after my natural proclivities pointed towards being close (in my case) to the opposite sex, I wouldn’t think too much of your whole God. Why don’t you keep your God to yourself and vote with your wallet (HGTV surely is).
Yep, this is the New McCarthyism: have you now or have you EVER had an opinion contrary to the gay, abortion, (fill in blank) leftist agenda?
Tell everyone to Boycott HGTV!!!!
“HGTV has decided not to move forward with the Benham Brothers’ series.” I have decided to block HGTV on my TV.
Tell everyone to boycott HGTV!!!!!!!!
Well, HGTV, unless you deep thinkers think about your narrow-mindedness in canceling the new show, put it on and I may continue watching your shows. Keep it off and you have lost me.
Poor choices you are making.
I am sick of these movies and TV shows that glorify a perversion.
HGTV was a show I would watch occasionally, but no more.
hgtv will be surprise to learn from you that it is a “show”.
We need to stop the homosexual movement. It putting our children in harms way. The Gay Movement is a WAR ON OUR CHILDREN. The gay agenda wants our children to not just accept homosexuality but to participate in their movement. PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
I really hope that you have a gay son, and you are just devastated.
(And then I hope you realize the error of your ways and accept him as an equal human being).
This type of action is at the core of the great divide in American politics and why Hollywood is so hated. Certain people in control of things are laying the groundwork of a declining America thru their support of repulsive, and perverted behaviors which many people can never accept. Better that California cede from the union and “do what they do” rather than force these perversions on the rest of an unwilling America.
The answer is to get government out of marriage. Get them out of our bedroom our kitchen our back yard and our personal lives. No more ‘marital status’ boxes on gov’t forms!
Thats easy. The channel on my TV will no longer stop on HGTV.
HGTV is SO TOLERANT of opposing viewpoints.
BOYCOT HGTV
It’s both amusing and sad that so many posters here think they understand free speech. The government is not punishing these homophobes for their hatred. The first amendment means that government can’t punish you for your religious fantasies. However, when HGTV or any other network decides to feature two major homophobes on a show watched by millions of gay people and there is pushback, that network can change programming choices…it’s simple. Does HGTV really want to alienate all the interior designers, contractors, customers in the home improvement industry? That would be unwise. There are lots of shows on HGTV that everyone can watch, without having to patronize these two haters.Let them do a show for Pat Robertson…they could design and flip crypts.
Bye Bye HGTV
You all know that HGTV has advertisers that respect the voices of their audiences. I suggest that they hear from all of us who appose this oppression of thought. Money talks.
The point isn’t so much thought policing as it is making a cost benefit analysis. They’re likely to be subject to a lot of controversy, and for what? Does this show scream ratings bonanza?
Actually, the reason they cancelled the show is that the majority of the audience found these two brother’s opinions offensive. The decision was monetary & nothing to do with anyones beliefs.
The thought Nazis have taken over the country. Disagree with or say anything negative about the sacred cows of the left, gays, blacks, or women, and you could have your life destroyed…unless of course you are a lefty, then it will be forgiven immediately.
My goodness, but thoughtcrimes are the popular thing these days.
Freedom of expression and belief is meaningless if you aren’t even allowed to hold a job because a mob has decided to target you. “Freedom and liberty” activists should be ashamed of themselves for their bullying tactics. Someone powerful in their number needs to come out publicly and put a stop to this.
Well of course they have absolutely NO RIGHT to think the way they do! Those who stray from the “progressive agenda” are well, scum.
It isn’t only Hollywood that is so ridiculous. Perhaps they are more so as there are more who are aberrant???? I don’t know.
I have decided to call groups like Right Wing Watch…..Underwear Sniffers….it seems they relish in smearing people.
The twins good works probably outnumber those of the entire group of Right Wing Watch persons…..
God Bless the twins….I don’t care what their views are outside the show. And HGTV should be ashamed.
I had the good fortune of meeting the Benham Brothers and attending one of their training seminars on representing lenders in foreclosure cases. Although the business opportunity was unable to come to fruition it is my impression that they are an excellent example of what I pray and hope my sons to grow up to be.
They seem to be to be tough competitors… but kind, honest and extremely well-intentioned. They are unapologetically Christian, yet loving and kind towards everybody.
Have we really come to an age where we cannot disagree with anyone without risking being labeled as an intolerant or a bigot?
I cannot imagine any circumstance where they would not be bold in their declaration for Biblical morality.., nor where they would “hide” their beliefs. This is another case of whereby the liberal media, the LGBT community and their thugs cannot and will not tolerate any kind of dissent… No, if you don’t agree with them, you are tarred and feathered.
Ironically… these pro-gay and babykilling thugs spend their time trying to convince the rest of us that their violence and perversion are “normal” acts.
Give me the Benhams anyday!
I stopped watching this channel, a/k/a Logo Jr., when they started featuring gay couples as just another couple looking for home improvement help, or searching for that perfect home near Castro St. Keep your gay agenda and your .1% of the population viewing audience. Idiots!
I emailed HGTV telling them I and my wife will not be watching HGTV anymore due to their blatant hatred for folks who support real marriage and life for innocent babies.
So now 100% of the population has to be OK with Gayness or you lose your right to feed your family. Personally, I could care less who someone chooses to marry, bang or munch on. But in this once great country of ours that is continuously deteriorating-having adverse feelings in regards to gay, not gay, peanut butter or even dressing up as a clown should be a non issue.
I’ve been studying Mass Media in college and this is my fourth year. I’ve learned pretty much everything I’m going to know.
This is not “Hollywood’s” fault. This is not their left-wing agenda.
You see, Hollywood doesn’t care about civil rights. They care about making a profit. If they cared about ethical choices, they would be operating a different way, one that does not exemplify the Electronic Colonialism Theory.
My point is, they make the choices based on the social context. They probably made this choice because they knew that if word got out that they air a show that starred anti-gay activists, there would be a negative backlash, because acceptance of gay people is becoming more and more common. HGTV’s goal is to make money. If that means making gay-supporting people happy, then that’s what they’re going to do. Blame the people if you want, but all this “hollywood’s one way street” stuff is so stupid considering it has nothing to do with their beliefs.
Since when are we not allowed freedom of opinion?
If this piece was trying to show the hypocritical haters in Hollywood – it hit the mark.
I love how the tolerant crowd can demonstrate such intolerance
I loved to watch HGTV. I would stomach my way *yes, it is sickening* through the blatantly homosexual practicing folks, and concentrate on the rehabs and decorating. However, I guess I will now have to pull the plug on HGTV altogether, as they are not ‘tolerant’ of my faith.
Bye HGTV, it was good while it lasted.
you are so right…
What if some of those needy families happened to be same-sex couples? I suppose we should just close our eyes and try not to think about that possibility, right? …or perhaps you don’t feel there should be any assistance for needy families if they don’t happen to mirror your ideal?
In this modern age (which is where many of us live, rather than the dark ages…), human rights for *ALL* are considered inalienable. Being compassionate and tolerant is not just for those who believe in the same god you do, have your same skin tone, gender, age, nor fall in love with the same kind of person you do.
I don’t live anywhere near Hollywood, nor do I watch much media, so this has nothing to do with Hollywood. It has to do with common decency toward all of mankind. To declare a group of people as being “wrong” based on some contradictory book to which you cleave is your prerogative and first amendment right.
Bear in mind, however, that the bible does *NOT* give mankind the right to speak their mind without impunity. So…which set of morals seems to be more compassionate? Time to get with the 21st century, where people recognize that moving forward with love is the highest and best course of action in all situations.
Oh for goodness sake, HGTV needs to grow up! They have a terrific show and now they’re going to get “goody, goody” on EVERYONE! Grow up HGTV, this is America and if we want to protest something, we can. Shame on HGTV, oh and did I tell you? They’ve lost me as a viewer. And did I tell you this? I watched all the different varieties on this show . . . I wasn’t prejudice like HGTV apparently. Sally
This isn’t about freedom of speech, or thought crime, its about business. HGTV has decided it would not be good for them to alienate it’s gay viewers, or their allies.
The Makers of TV shows want the focus of the show to be on the show, not on the personal religeous or political views of the stars.
All that controversy scares off sponsors of the show who are afraid they will be boycotted by groups opposed to the view of the stars of the show.
With no sponsors paying for commercials, TV shows and the networks that air them MAKE NO MONEY!
So the are very sensitive and wary of any subjects that will cause controversy and generate protests and boycotts thus scaring away sponsors
Putting this show on the air with the anti-gay views of the stars known to the public would causes controversy and scare off commercial sponsors of the show, which would cause the producers of the show to LOSE MONEY.
Whether a show gets on the air is about MONEY, not politics or religion.
Be careful,Grapost, you’re making sense, and from what I can see there is very little of that to be had here.
You can crap on a police car and protest Wall Street and you’re A-OK in Hollywood…
Lead a prayer group two years ago or send a few bucks to promote marriage and BAM!!!!, you’re out of a job.
Really? Why would a network do that? Yet another example of Holly-weird dictating what the “common people” should think.
Sounds a lot like discrimination to me. Or is that only when the homosexuals aren’t hired for a job?
Nothing warm my heart more than Nazis intolerance. You disagree with our point of view, you can’t work anymore. We should be happy they aren’t force those they disagree with don’t have to wear a star or other symbol so we can pick them out of a crowd.
Discrimination. I’ll make it a point not to ever watch that network that comes against these brothers for their faith. They canned the show because of the twins faith; that’s called persecution against Christians.
Agreed. The left has no tolerance for anyone whom does not think like they do. I see no reason to watch HGTV now.
This is not the America I once knew. Where is our freedom to be different, to not be POLITICALLY CORRECT… Where is our freedom to follow our faith… The Bible is against homosexuality and so am I.
HGTV has a right to decide who to have on their network and if those people aren’t in line with the beliefs and values of HGTV they aren’t obligated to keep them. Sounds shockingly like many churches, we all know how one sided they can be. You can’t crucify HGTV for championing social justice and civil rights.
Very well stated
Funny thing about it is that HGTV/Scripps’ decisions aren’t made in Hollywood.
As long as those families aren’t gay, right? Is that what you meant to say?
I find this action by HGTV, despicable… And before I am screamed at for being a homophobic… I am Gay.. But ya know…. have a clue people…. Being Gay is one thing but to attack people for what they think or say or feel… that is truly being homophobic… and I am ashamed that we live in a society that screams for acceptance and diversity,then hates and discriminates against anyone that disagrees with their particular view… A section of society that has fought against discrimination should really recognize it when they also practice it….
turn off HGTV
I will discontinue watching the channel… it is a fun watch with many of the great hosts doing a great job, but to think that a host that doesn’t toe the liberal line makes every other host doubtful in my mind.
My perspective is not allowed on this channel so my eyes will not watch it.
I agree, in “Hollywood” it is forbidden to hold “Traditional” values[Or at least express these beliefs]. It will be hard, but I will not be watching HGTV anymore.
It is time for conservatives to have their own television networks Look at what Fox News has done for our agenda. Boycott HGTV.
I do not plan to watch hgtv anymore. I am done. These men have as much right as the gays who want to push their lifestyle on us. Churchs have religious belief which condems this kind of lifestyle but the Christians do not hate he people who practice it. And by the way they have more civil rights than straights.
This whole statement is wrong…who gave these men the right to condemn another American for their life choices….I was raised a Christian…unfortunately, I can’t find one anymore…including you. Who gave you the right to judge? God didn’t…Christians absolutely do hate gay people…please do not insult intelligent people by saying you don’t…Gay people do not have more civil rights than the rest of us…no one is passing laws that make it illegal for me to get married or love whomever I choose…No one is telling me they won’t bake my a cake for my wedding…Ignorant people like you are what is wrong with this country….the constitution only applies to you….freedom to live free only applies if you are a so called Christian…Equal justice and freedom of religion are both in the bill of rights….Oh I’m sorry the 2nd amendment is the only one that you people can read….HGTV did the right thing…to support this show is supporting anti gay people…They have rights to you know…they do not have to agree with you…I thank God they don’t….Jesus would be ashamed of you…
then they can go to Daystar or whatever to do their show. not a good professional station like HGTV
There is no balance in broadcasting and they seem to be afraid of the homosexual agenda and what would happen to them if they were.
What a shame that we just can’t watch a show and enjoy it.
you have lost a veiwer .i love the lord so when you pick on people that love the lord and cancel the show because your more interested
in money and non christans Im sorry ,we are not to let things like this change our mind about the lord so keep your money and people that belivie in gays and other ways of thinking instead of what they are suppose to bleivie in
Ray Stamey
I think that we have to look and ask ourselves why would a network get rid of a show that would be helping others? For what they see as political correctness? These guys are about helping others yet you for some reason, do not see that. I am appalled that this can happen and how it is happening all over in our nation. As a democrat, it really makes me angry to see that these guys are not represented on HGTV. Wow, we are changing and not for the better.
As a gay man, these fellas offend me. However, what I find more offensive are those people who attack their right to believe in their faith and express their views. I’d much rather have them express themselves than quietly fester hatred towards someone like me. I’d appreciate the chance of opening dialogue instead of censorship. Ever hear the expression “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t?’
Well said and so true!
I am not one to usually post a comment. It is time I spoke up. What happened to common sense in this country. Christians do not condemn the persons who agree with same sex relationships, rather they love the person and dislike the sin. Those who have the power to punish a persons beliefs in the hopes that it will change that person are mistaken. Be it Christian or other believes, punishment has never worked. I thought that the perfunctory statement that the views and statements of those involved does not represent the company beliefs would be sufficient. Guess not. You either believe our way or its the highway. HGTV will undoubtedly continue its closed minded ways.
when you make the choice to be an activist you limit your sponsorship opportunities. Call me when Fox picks up “American Muslim”
WTF does Hollywood have to do with HGTV?
Most of the people commenting on the dismissal of the Benham brothers, are missing the point of the HGTV network. HGTV is a network routed in diversity, gay, straight, Asian, African American, Caucasian, Native American, Middle Eastern, etc. All and more cultures are presented in a positive non political format. Having a show presented by brothers whose outspoken personal bigoted views, go against the positive multicultural diversity of HGTV. This should allow HGTV to decide if the network will carry a show with The Brothers as Hosts. There are other networks such as CBN, TBN, that share their narrow minded views and could possibly carry their show. HGTV is a culturally diverse network and I for one aplaude the network for their decision. A vote against bigotry!
Gay people do *not* want “more than equal rights”; if *they* get the right to marry the same gender, then *everyone* gets that right. Heterosexuals don’t *only* have the right to marry a person of another gender; they have the right to marry the person they love, the person of their choosing. *That’s* how it’s unequal now. Stop twisting things to make it look like gays want *preferential* treatment; it only exposes your bigotry. Stop hiding behind the Bible; God & Jesus wouldn’t want your bigotry. While I’m at it, polyamory should be given equal rights, as well. The issues of the other party’s consent & marrying animals is just a ridiculous comparison, again showcasing bigotry. Get a grip? Get a clue? No, get a *heart*!
The Gay Mafia strikes again
Yup, Sorry! (Not Sorry!)
Little. silly person… if we had that much power, you’d already be in hell.
Why are you so hateful to someone you have never met?
Sorry buddy, but God decides who goes to Hell, not you little guys.
“The Gay Mafia” = Anyone who doesn’t support those who openly preach hatred against their fellow human beings
It is HGTV’s right not to employ hatemongers, what they are hateful against isn’t the issue.
There is no greater hate than liberal hate…total intolerance.
Bravo HGTV!!!
Here you go, here’s your fish!!
TCOMP – get an education! And, speaking of “hypocrisy at its (not it’s btw) finest”, all one has to do is look at Christianity! Moron.
Or one could just look at the gay rights movement that preaches “tolerance” and then tries to squash and destroy anybody that doesn’t agree w/ their opinion…
You mean using the free market to marginalize those who preach hate, as opposed to the so-called “Christians” who try to use the power of GOVERNMENT to deny rights to the prople disagree with?
Actually paralax the show hadn’t even had a chance to allow the market to decide. The homonazis decided for all of us.
You need better material.
So pleased this annoys you. Furthermore, nothing you can say will get these guys back on HGTV. So while you sit disguised behind your computer screen spewing hate, you are utterly ineffective at doing much of anything at all, Tel. In fact, you are a nonentity, and most would agree. If you want to be taken seriously, say something intelligent and have a point of view that actually carries some weight. Until then, you might want to get a plumber to come over and close your pie hole unless you’re keeping it open for a closeted reason.
No, it’s offensive to a key HGTV audience: gay men. It’s just bad business. If a known atheist or anti-Christian activist was hired to host a show on CBN or the like, would that make sense?
Then they need to put that into their contracts. The purpose of CBN is to produce Christian programming. The purpose of HGTV is to produce home improvement programming. If they want to add that all hosts must adhere to their position on homosexuality, fine–but tell them that up front. Or, change their name to LOGO.
More bigotry towards Christians. HGTV should be ashamed of themselves. I would boycott the channel if I ever watched it.
Unfortunately, I cannot boycott them either. I don’t watch any of their crap already. Checked listings one day and they had six straight episodes of “House Hunters” followed by four episodes of “International House Hunters.” I kid you not. What a “network.”
This is NOT bigotry towards Christians. They made statements that would cause a large segment of their audience not to want to watch the show.
Much like so many of you that cry that Christians are persecuted are always going on and on about how you refuse to watch anything that involves George Clooney or shows that offer positive portrayals of gay people or other “libtards” to use a word that the right wing commenters throw around on here like candy, this is a case of their audience making a choice not to watch these jerks.
Purely business, not bigotry.
@Nick: “this is a case of their audience making a choice not to watch these jerks.”
Reality check time: the show never made it to broadcast. How could anyone have “made a choice not to watch” a show that was never aired?
“Purely business, not bigotry.”
False dichotomy. Just because it’s “business” doesn’t mean it can’t be “bigotry”. Just ask the photographers who refused to shoot a same-sex event.
Grow up. HGTV is a private company. It has a right to decide what shows it airs. There is no bigotry against Christians.
Who are you to say that all Christians share homophobic beliefs?
Believing that homosexual practices are wrong does not make one homophobic. Why can’t you discuss without attacking others – I thought this was about tolerance.
Good to know. If I own a private business, I can exclude people based on race.
Good job not contradicting your core moral position for the last 50 years, left wing filth.
The bakery and photographer who did not want to do the queer wedding were private companies too. How come they were sued and lost?
Funny how HGTV (a private company)can decide to cancel a contract because they don’t agree with the brother’s personally held religious beliefs–beliefs that would not even be aired on the show and that’s OK. But other small private businesses can’t even decline doing work for someone for the same reason. It is always one sided. Everyone has the right to their opinion and beliefs and should not be forced to agree with someone else. If HGTV can chose who they work with, other businesses should be allowed to do the same. (I’m talking religious beliefs here people, not racism.)
So sense it is a “private” company is it then okay for a bakery not to make a cake for queers? Or a privately owned photographer not to shoot a gay wedding? Oh wait, that doesn’t apply because it doesn’t promote the gay agenda. (You know, the agenda that states that any opposing beliefs against homosexuality is intolerable)
HGTV decided to cancel their show based on the Benham Brothers’ publicly voiced Anti-Gay activity/activism, and that doesn’t make HGTV bigots against Christians. It’s incidental that they happen to be Christian.
Impressive reasoning.
By that logic, people who refuse to hire people with vaginas are not discriminating against women; it is just ‘incidental’ that only women happen to have vaginas.
Nice…
A little faulty logic there I believe. I am not anti-gay, does that make me a Christian or not. You don’t know, unless I tell you. So the two statements are not the same. Only a female can have a vagina, there is no other answer, but whether I’m Christian or not has nothing to do with my opinion/view of someone who is gay.
So, we can fire and not hire gays now? That’s your current position?
How about blacks, Muslims and yellow haired people? Where do we stand on that?
It sure would be nice if you guys would stop changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Get real, it’s 2014. If you are anti gay there is no excuse for such ignorance and intolerance in our society. There are such bigger problems in our world! Go focus on the climate change problem. That is REALLY A PROBLEM. We all have to grow up and expand our ways of thinking. Gays were always in existence, and are here to stay and I like the world so much better for it.
Oh man you fundamentalists and your Climate Change. Why are you obsessed with the increasing temperature anyway? Afraid it’s hellfire catching up with you?
Hahahahahahahaha! And you’ve got the nerve to insult Christians for “faith”. What a bnch of gullible losers you people are!
Liberalism, the new warped religion of the left, with twisted views, and double standards, that if they didn’t have those, they wouldn’t have any standards.
They can still do the show (or one with a similar concepts), just without bigoted hosts.
Would people be cool with them if they were openly racist or is it only a differing opinion when it is homo-hostile?
Better yet, the twins can take their show to a real network.
If networks are going to fire people who are openly racist, MSNBC better give Al Sharpton his walking papers now. And the whole BET network will need to shut its doors.
Hardly “censorship” or the result of an extreme left-wing agenda. Simply proof that bigotry based on sexual orientation is FINALLY being seen as despicable – the same way racism is treated.
So you consider “discrimination” against other forms of sexual deviancy to despicable? Do you support overthrowing laws against incest? Or are you instead a “bigot”. According to the farcical standard you just laid out, you can only be one or the other.
Preach on.
This show is an exact copy of a Canadian HGTV show. Property Brothers, who are also twins. So weird. Also, great news. You can have free speech, but you must all take the consequences of your hate speech.
Define “hate speech”.
When will we wake up and realize we are a Redneck nation?
Not for much longer. Obama is taking care of that.
They can make a show that can do something good for needy families with people who don’t spew hate and discriminate against a group of people. Canceling this show is no different than canceling a show with members of the KKK or Nazis.
“Right Wing Watch”? Who and what are they to decide who is right wing or not? I don’t agree with the Benhams’ views but they are legally entitled to hold them and viewers are free to watch the show or not. But this, this is lynch justice after a McCarthy-ite /Stalinist secret trial. Somebody needs to start watching Right Wing Watch.
Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him? What is next signing contracts that no political or religious beliefs will be tolerated? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how revolting, and they have not exhibited any such intolerance unlike those morons at Duck Dump. This is getting ridiculous and takes away the personal freedoms for which special interest groups have fought so long.
Hey, let me know when that homophobic, racist, anti everything Howard Stern is off the airways.
You are free to express your beliefs, but you are NOT free from the consequences of your speech. Why can’t you idiots understand that?
TCOMP and Jim Brewer…hmmm… if these guys were members of the KKK, or Holocasut deniers, or members of some other racist or anti-Semitic group, would you feel differently? It’s not the Gay Mafia, it’s called ‘Right Wing Watch’ – watching and tracking those who would seek to OPPRESS others through their narrow views of what is right and wrong. HGTV has every right to stop this show. It’s not OKAY to be homophobic and campaign to limit people’s rights. (having a paid ‘reality show’ is not a human right, it’s a privilege) These guys still have all their free speech rights in tact. They can keep flipping houses and helping the poor. They just don’t get to be on TV putting on one face, and then another behind the scenes.
“watching and tracking those who would seek to OPPRESS others through their narrow views of what is right and wrong”
And yet these brothers were just “oppressed” for their views.. because some others disagree with them. How can you not see the outright silliness in your statement. Dare you to state that only “Right Wing Watch” has the only correct view in life? If so, you and they, are just what you rile against, but are too damn stupid to understand, you have become what you hate.
Listen very carefully. Not being hired for a TV gig is not “oppression.” Not being able to practice the fundamental human right of marrying the person you choose–that’s closer.
You rightwingers are so precious. There are no civil rights causes until one of your own is targeted for being a bigot. Then suddenly you’re marching and singing hymns.
They were NOT “oppressed.” They don’t have a RIGHT to a TV show, and nobody in the government took it from them. This was a free-market decision.
Now, when you do like these brothers did, and actively try to get the GOVERNMENT to limit the rights of others that you disagree with, THAT my friend is oppression!
So what MoveOn.org and Democratic Underground do – which is exactly the same thing as Right Wing Watch, except its from the liberal point of view – is acceptable? If one is wrong, they all are wrong. Typical intolerance from the tolerant left.
Kudos to HGTV. If the subjects of the show had been part of a white supremacist or anti-semitic organization, pulling the show would have been a no brainer. Homophic bigots should not be treated any differently.
hgtv made the right decision on this one.
Of course they did hater!
More left wing “tolerance” on display.
Wow, nice use of quotes there, professor. You sure schooled all the left-wingers.
Seriously, if you think “tolerance” means accepting those whose views are targeting someone’s gender, race, or sexual orientation…because make no mistake, they’re all the same thing when it comes to discrimination…and actively stating they don’t deserve the same basic human rights because of it, then you’re not very “bright”…or, more accurately, “part of the problem.”
Wow. Nice incorrect usage of ellipses there, Adam. Should I take the time to point out that you are engaging in the same intolerant and judgmental practices that you purport to disdain? Better not. I think I won’t cast my pearls before swine.
It’s pretty simple actually, and I don’t believe for a second that you’re not aware of it:
Tolerance does not extend to the intolerant.
That is all.
Define intolerant. Just because my religious view is that a certain activity is sinful doesn’t mean that hate people who do it. I stay out of your bedroom, you stay out of my heart and soul.
“Tolerance does not extend to the intolerant.” So you admit that you are intolerant of someone else’s views. That means that we should not extend tolerance to your views. This is a blatantly hypocritical statement. It simply means that you want a “righteous” sounding way of denying a right to speak to anyone who disagrees with you. It is the left’s only way of attempting to win a debate – by name calling and denying the other side’s right to have an opinion. The left can’t win a debate on merits, so it relies on sophistry.
Spoken like Robespierre, Lenin, Mao, or Guevara.
And of course you get to define intolerance.
Hollywood is a business and businesses don’t have to provide support to employees who believe in causes they disagree with, especially bigoted ones. That’s not part of the first amendment.
I’m glad you are reaffirming a private company’s decisions to act in their own best interest. I suppose you are also for allowing bakeries the right to refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay “wedding”, right? (Wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite now).
Yes!
There is an important difference between a business that creates TV shows and a business that offers “public accommodations.” I think the market would deal effectively with many businesses that act on bigoted beliefs about sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, or sex. I don’t see that a small business offering to cater to wedding parties, or provide similar such services, should be required to offer their services to everyone. But public accommodations are another matter entirely. I don’t think we want to return to segregation–Jim Crow for homosexuals.
Hypocrisy? Please.
Free speech doesn’t mean free of consequences. Believe what you want, express that belief all you want, but if you suffer for those beliefs, boo-hoo. You DECIDED to create situation.
Cool, we can just deny employment to people based on beliefs.
I’m sure if you were fired from your job because you support gay rights, you’d just accept it and move on.
Kinda like in Middle Eastern countries, huh?
Funny, but George Bush said the same thing about the Dixie Chicks and they cried. The left called him all sorts of names for it. I have no problem with what you said, but you need to be ready to apply to everyone–whether you like what they said or not.
Why is it that everyone has to be ok with homosexuality? I for one could care less what others choose to do but people are literally being forced to not have a opinion on homosexality…. You cant force a opinion like you cant force a homosexual to be straight.
They are quite good-looking, if not aging very well.
Do you realize how far off topic you are, Commenter Veritas? You belong on the TMZ Comment Board. And that’s the truth (veritas to you, Latin dilettante). Mirror, mirror…
First of all, HGTV is located in Knoxville TN, so actually Hollywood has NOTHING to do with this. 2nd, Gays are one of HGTV’s core demos, they’d have to be crazy to offend a large part of their viewership. 3rd, I’m gay and glad this happened. Let them go do their show on UP!
Maybe the Oprah will give them a shot.
Yeah I know, I was just f’ing around..
Good riddance. The sponsors of the show would have been crazy to have been associated with such radical loonies as these two men. I give a big thumbs-up the HGTV management for not giving these radicals a soapbox.
The radical loonies are the ones who fight to stop someone from working because, God forbid, they believe in traditional marriage. I’m not sure how their show would have been a soapbox. It sounds like it was supposed to be about flipping houses, not political or religious beliefs. This is the standard hypocrisy of the left. All the sick immoral reality shows that pollute television these days is ok, but two brothers with Biblical beliefs can’t have a show about flipping houses. Makes a lot of sense.
I bet if you define “radical loonies” you’ll define it on your terms. what you don’t realize is the box you put yourself into.
Yeah, make your filthy lucre only from those who see nothing wrong with ripping little arms and legs off of, or burning or poisoning little fellow human beings. Figures that the only thing important to such interests is the glitzy outer appearances while there’s only rot inside.
People warned against changing the authentic definition of marriage (and according to the natural law, btw) would invite all kinds of contortions due to the precedent set….and now we read about a man who wants to “wed” his porn filled computer based on the precedent established reasoning for other minority sexual orientation groups!
HGTV, you are no longer welcome in my living room. All of your sponsors, please note, I will be taking names and no longer purchasing your products.
It doesn’t pay to be anti-gay.
“It doesn’t pay to be anti-gay.”
You get a point for being upfront on your bulling. Tho it makes me laugh, when I see’s a “victim” use the very same tactics against those they disagree with and not even understand, they have become what they rile against.
Oh, so now if you disagree with ANYBODY over ANYTHING (as long as it’s something the liberals think is OK) then you are a bully. I’m just surprised you didn’t call him a racist. It’s sad that you are so narrow minded and intolerant against anybody who disagrees with you. You are following the standard liberal practice of vilifying anybody who dares to disagree with you.
@rupual “It doesn’t pay to be anti-gay”
well if you check the UN and FBI stats on anti-gay hate crimes(they’ve risen) it doesn’t pay to be gay either…