AMC and Cablevision’s breach of contract case against Dish for dropping the long defunct VOOM HD channels has been kicking around for years, but now is due to go to trial in September. And the smart money is starting to bet that Dish will settle to avoid being creamed in a case where the plaintiffs are seeking to split $2.5B in damages. That was one of the main drivers behind this morning’s decision by Susquehanna Financial Group’s Vasily Karasyov to raise his rating on AMC shares to positive from netutral, and his price target to $49 from $42. His company’s litigation analyst, Thomas Claps, says that Dish “is facing significant headwinds” as a result of two pre-trial rulings “which could cripple its liability and damages defenses.” The judge in the case has decided to tell the jury that Dish “destroyed potentially critical evidence in the case” and say they can infer that the evidence “would have been unfavorable to Dish.” In addition, the court will not allow Dish to include testimony or a report from its main damages expert. As a result, Karasyov believes Dish will settle — possibly before the October season premiere of AMC’s popular series Walking Dead — with the satellite company paying far less than $2.5B but resuming its carriage of the programmers’ channels including AMC, IFC, and WE.
Bernstein Research’s Craig Moffett also weighed in on the case this morning as he lowered his stock price target for Dish to $26 from $28. He’s now baking in a pre-tax loss of $1B. Moffett says that Dish will have a harder time than it did in its patent infringement case with TiVo using appeals and other legal maneuvers to delay its day of reckoning. The rules are different for a tort case than for a patent infringement one. And under New York State law, if the plaintiffs win, then Dish would have to escrow cash before it can appeal — and pay interest on it, which could be as high as 9%. He’s also betting on a settlement: “Cases involving spoliation of evidence rarely go to trial because the odds are so skewed against the offending party,” he says.





This is good news! #disgruntledDishcustomer
Forget Walking Dead – Breaking Bad returns to AMC on Sunday!
I am so angry i won’t be able to see Breaking Bad too. this is just wrong!
The clock is ticking…….
Please settle so I can watch one of the few programs I view on TV these days. Breaking Bad.
We want amc we want amc!!
Dish POS. there is more to service than ratings.
Wake-up. I realy like Dish programing but I think its time for Cable.
I must have my amc channels back!!!!
Talk about a serious “Bonehead” move, Dish. Did you ever consider establishing a Focus Group, or at least solicit responses about the preferred shows that Dish customers wanted to continue? I know I never got a phone call or email.
If I was on the Dish board of directors, I would vote for forced resignation from the CEO for this ridiculous business move.
Who seriously thought that this was a good idea? If you want to save money, Dish, consider deleting the plethora of NBA, NHL and other sport channels that are rarely watched. And choose either CD or Sirius music, but not both. It is redundant.
Dish does not care what their customers want! When I questioned what happened to AMC, WE, and IFC, received that lame excuse email from them. I sent 2 responses, never any further answer from them. Have been a Dish customer for many years and this is how they treat their loyal customers??? Will consider U-verse, maybe.
I’m gonna have to file share to get Breaking Bad I guess. Jerks!!!
I GUESS ILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SETTLE FOR THE LAST SEASON OF BREAKING BAD TO COME OUT ON DVD NEXT YR……SMH THANK YOU DISH SHIT NETWORK.
This bullshit obviously no one at dish gives two shots about its customers now I’m locked in to a contract I can’t get out of and I get miss one of my favorite shows because of some dumbass. F*ck this service
Hey Andy, call Direct TV or your local cable provider. Either one may offer to help you pay our ETF. My local cable provider is offering me a $300 credit to me if I switch.
Too late for me and Dish. I have Directv coming out tomorrow. I’ve been a Dish customer for 15 years, but no way am I going to miss out on the Breaking Bad premiere. Maybe see you in two years when my commitment to Directv is up.
You’re about to learn there are things worse than Dish…..
I don’t know – the people I spoke with that are Directv customers were happy and had positive things to say about them. I’m not thrilled that they are also in a channel dispute with Viacom, but I’d rather lose those 26 Viacom channels (none of which I watch regularly) than AMC. Thanks to a seriously crappy DSL connection with AT&T, live streaming isn’t a viable option. So, we’ll see.
I would love to hear specifics about any negative aspects of Directv.
I had direct TV never again loss of signal & billing for non pay per views is there thing Dish net work will get it resolved & its only TV any way LOL don’t take it so seriously!!
Isn’t any better… Direct TV did a similar move, no Comedy Central for Direct TV users.
Don’t do it. You are going to regret it
I’m bailing on dish as well as EVERYONE else I know. The BS commercials Dish airs about Direct TV overcharging consumers were enough in the past to deter me from defecting until I actually looked at the programming costs. If I agree to a 2 year commitment with Direct TV, I save nearly $20 a month. after the 2 year agreement ends, as long as you cancel the sports packages Direct TV gives you for free during the 2 year agreement (channels that Dish does not give you) the only difference in my bill would be 16 cents in my favor….. That’s right folks, you actually SAVE 16 cents for the same programming PLUS save as much as $624 over the initial 2 year contract period. As for the recent Viacom issue,,,, this is the 4th time we’ve seen this and It has usually resolved itself inside of a week unlike the Dish v. AMC debacle….. SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR????
So what. You go to directv and they do the samething to dishnetwork. I know because I just drop them
This is business as usual, and DirectTV is currently having similar troubles with Viacom. The technology and the contracts are not able to change as fast as viewing habits.
When it comes down to it, you’re getting a tremendous amount of content for under $100 a month. That’s the cost of 10 movies in theaters (15-20 hours of content). The average American watches something like 6 hours a day. That’s 6×30=180 hours a month. The content providers (AMC/Viacom) want to raise prices, but if the signal providers (Dish/Direct/Comcast) raise rates, customers abandon ship like rats. So the signal providers play hardball with the content providers to keep the costs down. It’s annoying, but that’s how the game is played.
And regarding the subscription NBA and HHL channels, since those are subscription-based, dropping them would have no effect on the cost of other channels. Likewise, the cost of Sirius and CD music channels is minimal.
Thank you, Dish Network employee, for sharing your corporate views. Now lets bounce back to the real world. Dish and Direct AND AT&T’s Uverse have all played this game dozens of times over the past few years. The difference here is that Dish is trying to create leverage so they can offer carrying AMC again as part of the compensation in a settlement, giving the finger to customers in the process. Also, while all these companies have “needed” to play hardball and drop networks, Comcast, the big boy on the block has not. If a channel has new pricing that will effect their customers, at worst they move the channel to a higher tier package, giving the customer the option to pay the extra or let it go. That seems rather sane compared to breaching contract with millions of users at a time. So yeah, I’m going back to comcast.
But to be fair, lets do a hypothetical. Lets assume that the price of my service is based on the cost of carrying the channels. Lets say that the cost of AMC’s 4 networks in the old contract was $1 per household. I was getting them and now you’ve dropped them. So, it seems safe to assume that dollar per month will be coming off my bill right? NO? you mean you plan to pocket that money? Your profits go up because you’ve lessened my service? Well, I don’t know how other customers feel, but aside from switching providers from you, I’d invite you to tongue punch my fartbox.
I actually enjoyed your post, Mr. Kennedy…until you ended it with in childish stupidity and ruined your credibility.
But I, however, enjoyed the ending of his post. Quite the visual. HAd me rolling on the floor laughing! I am staying with Dish, because Direct TV is not an option and the hardware AND software with Comcast in my area is awful. I am annoyed with the yearly carriage contract BS though.
After being a Dish customer for 8 years, I switched to Direct this week. I called and emailed Dish many times about the AMC situation and informed them that this would be the tipping point for me to switch to Direct or cable. They offered half price HBO for six months and that was it. When I received an email from them that this was permanent, AMC is gone, I called Direct.
Since my switch on Monday they have emailed me and called me 3 times offering me the moon to return. The last call I received they wanted to do a survey to pick my brain as to what they could have offered to keep me as a customer. It ranged from free roku, credits on bill, free hopper upgrade, free premiums AND finally what would have kept me on – that AMC will return within such a date and that dropping it was not permanent.
So I believe there has been more fallout from dropping AMC than the head honchos counted on happening. My impression after speaking the survey rep, AMC will return but it might be later than sooner….And they screwed up by telling customers it was permanent and not immediately having a game plan in place to keep their AMC viewers.
Dish continues to disapoint im giving up on them so are alot of other people i know, thats the best way i can think of to tell them to “kiss my ass” we have other options.
If I pay to watch tv and they drop the tv shows I watch, how is that not a breach of contract?
DAMN RIGHT THATS WHAT IM SAYING. What would happen if we all sued Dish for that. lol they would crumble!!!!
Written by Mike in Seattle on July 12, 2012 – Done with DISH
I moved from Direct TV 9 months to Dish. From day 1 we were treated like crap. We did not get the promotions we were promised, we didnt get the dish cover (Seahawks) we were promised. multiple calls to dish. Dish says they never promised the company that sold me dish did. They dont exist any longer!. We didnt get the correct 3D rcvr, no no AMC/IFC. I switched to Cable today and they are trying to charge me 250+ for early cancelation. In my opinion they breached contract several times. Not a fan of Cable but at least you have options with them.
DirecTv has the absolute worst customer service that I’ve ever dealt with. I’ve been with them over 15 years and am tired of them dropping channels and hearing it’s not their fault!
Not true you pay for hf and each individual box. Dish can run two TVs and hf is free not to mention their equipment is always one step ahead of the game. Who cares if amc is gone for a few weeks they will loose south ad money that they will come back and reach a more fair agreement. Let’s be honest a price increase will increase your bill. I would rather keep mine the same.
Yep. Dropping DISH. Hopefully we can get someone from COMCAST out before Sunday. I will not go back to Direct TV ever. We cannot miss Breaking Bad!!!
Im getting sick of dish also they take off all the good channels or you have to call and fight for the ones you want every year. Seeing as they are cancelling them shouldn’t our bills go down also????? Of course not they will probably go up to pay for their law suits. Thanks Dish direct tv or local cable here I come.
Yes, this is all very interesting, but none of this HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CUSTOMERS who are now all suffering because of Dish’s decision to refuse to carry the AMC channels!!!!
I am so sick of Dish’s heavy handed negotiation tactics. They could take a lesson from Directv in customer service as DT are promising to work things out with Viacom as quickly as possible so that their customers do not loose those channels. They even have an entire link on their web site chalk full of information pertaining to the situation to keep their customers updated by the minute.
I can’t even get Dish to write me back about what’s going on with them and AMC. Their customer service is seriously lacking.
Iam soo upset with Dish I have lost more programs Fuse,Now AMC!!!! Iam upset they do not offer TVONE!!! Food Hello
i seriously was upset when they dropped fuse as well, that was the only music channel we even watched, and it had great interviews with music artists… i contacted dish about that, they were like, “sorry, but you’ll enjoy the paladia channel we’ve replaced FUSE with.” that’s like giving a coke lover pepsi…..
I totally!!! Agree
I called Dish after reading about customers receiving a free Roku box and monthly credit of anywhere from $10 to $30 per month in order to stream AMC programming.
I was offered a measly $5 per month for 3 mos and no Roku box. Well guess what? After being a Dish customer for over 5 years, I have Direct Tv being installed this weekend and will be dropping Dish! As an added bonus, more channels, more features and a much lower price.
Big surprise that both satellite companies suck. The cable companies tried this same stuff some years back. I bet ATT&T pulls the same bone head move some years for now. Seems like there’s no good permanent alternative. But hey isn’t that like everything else in life.
People call dish and tell them u want to cancel..they will give u roku box…refund u for episodes of breaking bad …if ur contract is up complain about no re introductory comparison and.say why should I stay…expect discoung and free movie premiums…dont be.rude but express your opinions…they will listen