Kevin Smith lost some cred with indie distributors last night when he hosed the teams that came to the premiere of Red State looking for an acquisitions title. Instead, they were subjected to a bogus auction that opened and closed with his $20 bid and announcement he would self distribute. Before he got to this sham climax, Smith spent 15 minutes shitting all over those buyers in the crowd, the ones watching films all day and pulling all-nighters to broker deals. His rant made Smith seem like a tortured, angry guy.
Smith introduced the film with a vulgar opening monologue, low-lighted by a spectacularly tasteless joke made at the expense of the young female producer standing next to him. After the movie, Smith reappeared. Wearing a hockey jersey, he introduced Wayne Gretzky’s stick, for some reason. Despite this hockey-themed beginning, Smith was oblivious to the fact we all simply wanted him to drop the puck and get on with the auction. Instead, Smith launched into his 15-minute long diatribe that betrayed a misunderstanding of the indie theatrical distribution game. He gave a simplistic and incorrect evaluation of the business model. Smith said if he sold his $4 million Red State, a distributor would need to pay $20 million in P&A, and would then need to gross more than twice that $24 million just to recoup (Smith seemed to forget that P&A triggers ancillary revenues that often provide the profit margin). He made it all sound shady.
Following the “auction,’ buyers and their teams filed out of this Twilight Zone episode while Smith discussed his distribution plans and how he’d shun the press and rely on his Twitter and podcast following. He even showed off sneakers he successfully hawks on his sites to prove his economic viability. It was a little like LeBron James’s “I’m taking my talents to South Beach spectacle,” if instead of James, the player involved was the 10th man on the bench. Smith, who showed us a sale-able movie last night, could simply have said he wanted to try a new business model and everybody would have been on his side. That subversive strategy worked in last year’s Sundance pic, Exit Through the Gift Shop. Nobody begrudged its success. Buyers could have skipped the screening and 100 seats would have been there for moviegoers who wanted to see Smith’s new film, his first in the horror genre.
Buyers I spoke to were annoyed Smith wasted their time, and offended that he belittled what they consider to be an honorable business, gambling millions of dollars and working tirelessly to launch new filmmakers and hopefully turn a profit. As Harvey Weinstein once did when he took a chance on Smith’s Clerks.
“He stole two hours and insulted every one of us,” said one prominent buyer. “We were told this was an acquisition title, we all brought our teams. We could have spent that time evaluating some other movie. Kevin didn’t acknowledge that we are the ones risking capital acquiring films and putting up P&A, not him, and he didn’t understand how our business works, at all. He was a little like the twisted preacher Michael Parks played in his film. It became life imitating art.”





Isn’t Smith the same morbidly fat cheap slob who tried to fly on Southwest Airlines with only one seat??
Written like man who has no interest in knowing the facts because they would only get in the way of his ignorance.
No, written like a troll trying to get you to take the bait.
Thanks for showing your ignorance. The answer is yes, Smith was that person.
Aw sorry Mike…do you need to borrow a hanky? Maybe clear up what side you are on, the readers can’t tell. Smith lost no cred. with anyone yesterday. He simply stepped-up and did something that is coming anyway. He is very on track with the figures. Hollywood wastes boatloads of money where it could otherwise be used creatively. The same town that recently has trucked out the same rehashed, remade, and soulless crap. Creative people have become fed up with all this nonsense! Indie 2.0 baby…looks like you aren’t ready for it. But why cry about it?
a) its called being impartial
b) Hollywood “trucks out the same rehashed, remade, and soulless crap”, because it makes money. time and time again, there have been unique and wonderful movies released by studios, which have flopped at the box office. if they could spend millions making Scott Pilgrim,a genuinely creative and original movie which flops at the box office, or churn out another cookie cutter Die Hard movie, which is almost guarantied to gross $100mil, what should they do as a business?
Distribution an HONORABLE business? “Made it sound shady?”
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
No, he is not. He in fact purchased two seat for his fat ass, then when he was bumped from his flight they put him on a plane with only one seat available then threw him off. I really wish people at least try and get the facts before talking about them..
Before anyone points them out, yes I do realize my typos.
Actually he had seats for him and his wife, who then didn’t go on the trip (up and back in the same day)
He fit in one seat. he should not have been bumped. end of story
The real issue is: if Smith can lie during hours of podcasts and endless tweets about the auction being real, and his producer tells the press self-distribution isn’t an option days before announcing self-distribution, what else are they lying about? Can their investors trust them to get paid back what they’re owed based on their word?
Smith claims he was unfairly criticized as a “director for hire” on “Cop Out,” but how much of the film’s lousy content came from unofficial rewriting? And are his claims that Southwest lied about him not squishing a fellow passenger true, or are they just more bull from a megalomaniac bolstered by sycophantic fans?
Actually all Smith ever said is that he would pick the distributor straight after the screening. The entire “auction” thing was then constructed around that by the press who never bothered to do any fact checking.
So maybe you could argue that Smith should have debunked the auction talk when it started but in all honesty, if the press did their job and actually talked to the guy before publishing a baseless story there wouldn’t be a problem.
The “factchecking” on Smith’s hours of Red State podcasts and weeks of Twitter talking about selling this movie to a distributor, the millions he wanted from a studio, etc. was done in a story now displayed on his own NewsAskew homepage.
Gordon–the film’s producer–verified the auction and flat-out denied self-distribution was even an option.
If Smith or any other of his associates now want to claim a technicality in his language, then any investor who does business with him or Gordon should take a careful look at anything these snake-oil salesman promise. Their word isn’t worth much.
Ridiculous. Smith long ago convinced himself that he makes good films and is an ‘artist’ who has to fight to get a movie made. The crime is that the man is not talented and is taking someone else’s place who IS talented and can tell a story without hiding behind f-words and stale diaolgue pranks.
Move along Kevin. Take your wannabe indy self-worth and put all your crap on youtube. Stop puking up half-arsed movies and taking attention away from the newbies who have talent!
If he wasn’t talented he couldn’t keep working so…you’re mistaken and bitter. Why don’t you make a film?
Getting films made (in this case, distributed) has pretty much nothing to do with talent. Certainly, it helps, but there are plenty of movies made by more talented people that go no where. Call me bitter all you want –I don’t care — I just know what I know. I will call you ignorant of how the business works. Please enjoy Smith’s next speaking tour. Your pony tail should be in full affect by then.
Oh Albert, you’re hilarious. funniest comment i’ve read in a while. keep’em coming.
To be fair, I don’t think even the most ardent Kevin Smith fan would seriously argue that his work over his career has been on an upward trajectory in quality. Finding many who would argue that he’s ever replicated the quality of Dogma or Clerks would be quite a challenge.
I would offer that the work he has done in the podcast and spoken word community only continues to get better and better. The movies and the books and etc. are a value added.
@Albert
Spoken like someone who continues to by tickets to CopOut and Paul Blart Mall Cop. Being talented and being employeed in Hollywood do not always go together.
Smith’s talent has ALWAYS been questionable at best, sophomoric and kitschy, too.
He’s a good self-promoter and that’s how he go his start, plus the early 90s was more forgiving. All that many so-called producers and studio execs care about is that a direct has completed a releasable film that did business.
Talent is for art, Hollywood doesn’t embrace art…
I never understood how such a wonderful public speaker could be so blind to how terrible his movies are.
“I find that your bombastic expressions of remorse coincide with the indefatigable work ethic of…”
There is stylized dialogue, and then there is a guy who doesn’t know what screenwriting is. It’s ridiculous, and he is, yes, a juvenile who never grew up. The worst thing that happened to him was having success early, not because it ruined him, as he’s great with fans, engages with the common man, but because he honestly thinks he’s making good (or fun) movies. He’s making poop jokes and still carrying on like a 20-year-old who works in a convenience store. No evolution whatsoever.
For better or worse, Jersey Girl and Red State poke holes in your argument.
You are sorely mistaken, Smith is not delusional about his successes as a writer, director, or speaker. The fact that he has had the “juice” to direct 10 films and write several comic book series over his 17 year career speaks volumes. Like him or not, there are many people that do, and these are the people that he caters to. Not to mention the fact that he lives in a very large house and has a very large bank account. He must have done something right.
He should be applauded for his willingness to shun the hollywood machine and strike out of his own to see if he can turn a profit on the film. Think about it, why should the machine be angry with him for wanting to do the same thing that they do with any movie? Although, he wants to prove it can be done without all of the waste and bloat associated with any studio release. Therein lies the rub. They don’t want him to succeed without their help. If he succeeds, perhaps other filmmakers will shun the machine and handle their projects from start to finish. Now, how is that turning your back on indie? Hell, that is as indie as it gets. Like him or hate him, at least he has the balls to try something different.
People bitched about his CLERKS type movies. Then they bitched about Jersey Girl. Then they bitched because he went back to CLERKS with the sequel. Then he tried to change ip up with Zach and Miri. People bitched again. THEN, he directed Cop Out. Weather the movie is good or not, this is the first movie Smith directed that he did not write. Bitching could be heard from the mountain tops. NOW, he tries something completely outside of his proven comfort zone and you people bitch again. You know, I’m beginning to think people like you have predetermined that, for whatever reason, you are going to shit on anything the man does. I suppose that is fine. We all have opinions. I have a feeling that he looks at his house, his wife, his daughter, his mother, his friends, and his colleagues and could care less what you think or write. After all, he is like all entertainers, he knows his core audience and he has decided it is more important to him to entertain them than to try and change your opinion about him.
Poor millionaire Kevin Smith, lounging in his fine mansion in front of a 100 inch plasma screen–eyes moist from enduring the sight of words typed in the comment section of a website. Who will protect his delicate ego from the diabolical free speech of those who hate crappy movies?
Ken to the rescue!
As for the bogus claim that Smith only cares about and caters to his fans, we know that isn’t true. The endless whining and blaming of the Weinsteins following the financial failure of Zach and Miri proves it. Smith wants to be a commercial success, but he isn’t good enough.
Still pissed he couldn’t get special treatment from Southwest Airlines when his fat ass was asked to buy an extra seat.. Smith has exactly 2 decent works so far (Clerks, Chasing Amy) and a whole lot of absolute crap.
What the hell does his weight have to do with his movies? Sort of a low blow and a stupid predictable thing to say. A little off topic and silly on your part!
Low blows, stupid, silly and predictable, pretty much sums up Smith’s oeuvre. He’s way over-rated.
Spot on – he’s been churning out absolute crap for years. Dogma and Clerks 2 were unwatchable
Crap maybe, but people are still buying.
Actually, if you read the articles about that situation, you’d find that Smith ALWAYS buys two plane seats because he doesn’t like to fly sitting next to other people. So, despite him having bought two seats, Southwest still tried to insist that he was too fat to fly. He wasn’t asking for special treatment, he was asking to receive what he’d paid for.
More importantly, attacking someone whose creative work you don’t like by calling them a fat ass is the lowest form of Ad Hominem attack, where instead of attacking Smith’s filmmaking abilities, you instead attack him personally. It makes you seem like a poor thinker and a bad debater.
I recall that he always bought two seats, decided to take an earlier flight on which only two seats were available, and things went down hill (not up in the air) from there.
I used to love the guy and his films- not I just can’t past the sloppy, lazy film making. Hope Red State is good, but I won’t be there even if it is. I got no time for Drama about drama. Leave it on the screen.
Sorry- -earlier flight on which only ONE seat was available- haven’t had my coffee yet.
OMG. First, this was not an attack on his weight. It was an attack on the demeanor and tone he took after that; for which he went on four different radio shows TV interviews, took for a two week twitter rant against Southwest. He could have just said “fuck them” and moved on.
Here is the exact same case. At some point, the distributors offended him. Fine, you say “fuck them” and move on. But you don’t go out of your way to call out every single person there and berate them and waste their time.
Being too fat has nothing to do with my point. Lots of people get told they can’t fly for numerous reasons. It’s the way he handled that situation – and this one – by using the same base tactics of carrying on an offensive, out of control campaign against an audience that couldn’t give two shits that he was unhappy. Did anyone at Southwest lose their job? Will any of these brokers? Were other people, whether they were passengers or other people trying to sell a film hurt by his out of control rants? Yes. He wasted their time, and continued to do so.
Calling a spade a spade is just the reality of the situation.
he is a PIG, an OBESE pig.
Moving on doesn’t change things.
It’s fighting for what’s right that does. Being a conformist and accept people treat you with contempt is not something to be proud of.
Fighting for what’s right? By sitting and insulting in various news media stewardess and plane crew who are making less then $50k a year and berating them as stupid over a four week period? Going on radio and TV shows and berating individuals and poking fun at their perceived education? Or is fighting for what’s right screwing over other first time film makers at Sundance by attracting away potential buyers so that they go to a show that isn’t really on the block and instead is a way to just piss and moan at them?
If he was offended by Southwest, he could have said so, made his point, and moved on. He didn’t. If he was offended by the buying market, he could have said ‘Fuck Sundance’ made a public statement in some magazine anywhere and moved on. Fighting for what’s right now includes screwing other people over or making fun of them. I’ll remember that in the future.
Smith is about the only reason that I’m embarrassed to be from Jersey (Exit 4). Next to Kevin, Joe Piscopo is a genius.
Well said.
Spot On! Someone without a grade school comment.
Kind of like what the leftist media does every day huh? Smith is a lowlife dweeb.
You belong in my tribe. My kind of reasoned human. Call me.
Whoa. My comment dropped down pretty far. Was meant for Read Up Sometime. Have to be clear cuz most of these comments are hideous.
Not to let facts get in your way, but he bought two seats, his flight was cancelled, he was rebooked into one, and then got kicked off the plane.
…and when presented with the self-distribution scenario with all the players involved, producer Jon Gordon lied to Variety, denying it was even a possibility:
“Hiring longtime specialty exec Dinerstein (whose film marketing consultancy also arranges self-distribution deals), bringing aboard Cinetic Media (which arranged service deals for sale titles like last year’s Banksy doc “Exit Through the Gift Shop”) with co-seller WME, and slapping the word “March” at the end of the teaser trailer has led many to suspect Smith has a self-distribution backup plan should an attractive offer fail to materialize. But is self-distribution or a service deal even an option they’re considering? “No,” says Gordon. “We want to have someone who loves the movie, understands it, knows how to handle it and get the most out of it.”
I want Red State to be good and I want Smith to explore his true potential as a filmmaker. But his tortured logic and comments about how he never said he was going to sell it in the room are laid bare by this quote right here. Of course they would have sold it in the room if there was any chance of getting a good price. Clearly, interest was iffy, so Smith turns on his potential buys and claims that he never planned to auction it at all.
The venues the movie is showing had been booked in advance for a while. It couldn’t have been done as a sudden decision being the fact he posted on his Twitter the website for the tickets as soon as it was over.
I caught the speech, and my favorite part was when he compared Red State to his “baby”….
Jersey represent, yo!
It sounds like you completely missed the point of what Smith was saying and doing.
No, he did not lose all credibility in the “independent community.” He lost credibility with a certain segment of the acquisitions community, which he obviously didn’t give a shit about in the first place. Smith still has plenty of credibility where it counts the most — with actual filmmakers, and more importantly, with actual AUDIENCES.
Yes, distributing indie films is a tough game — it’s risky and it’s hard work. So what? It ain’t near as risky or difficult as ACTUALLY MAKING quality independent films. Maybe Smith characterized the business model accurately, maybe he didn’t, but indie filmmakers have been getting screwed seven ways from Sunday for a long time, yes, by even the “legitimate” indie players.
He’s had enough and is trying out a new model. Good for him. Oh, he wasted some Hollywood power types a few precious hours? They were offended? Crying into my pillow right now for them.
I don’t even like Smith or his films that much, but sheesh. This is a pretty blatant piece of “please the master” reporting. Good job Mike, I’m sure all the power players in the acquisitions community you depend on for your scoops will be very pleased with your article.
We need more people that think like you
Well said, Sir.
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It fits with Nikkie’s MO. I recall when Clerks 2 came out, after it’s $15m opening weekend, she announced that no film that opens at $15m has a reason to exist.
She had a back-and-forth with Smith, so it’s no surprise that coverage of this would be slanted even if it was the best idea since sliced bread.
While I am sure there are some fine and honest distributors out there, the whole area seems like a perfect place to hide profits to keep from paying the creatives, i.e. Deadline’s profit sheet from that Harry Potter flick a while back.
In an industry so filled up with middle men trying to scrape off their cut, I can’t fault Smith for trying to keep some more of it for himself and his crew.
You are so correct! I am an Indie producer with a few films under my belt. I can tell you that I have taken it on the backside every time from distributors. Right on for Smith. You have to realize that in the past if you try and self distribute your film that you had no real power to go after buyers if they fail to pay you your money. This made you as a film maker powerless unless you went through distributors. The problem then becomes getting paid by your distributor. Distributors in this business are known to have creative book keeping practices, they inflate costs for DVD replication and pass that cost on to the film maker, they will also tag you with very unrealistic P&A costs that help them with their life styles that they have been accustomed to at work and shows. I along with my producing partners have been looking into self distributing in the future.
You can love or hate Kevin Smith but you should respect him for what he is trying to do for the independent film community. It is hard for someone to come out and potentially get blackballed be it Kevin Smith or a small player like myself.
Sorry, but I can’t agree that audiences still respect Smith. His body of work as of late hasn’t been very good. Early in his career he wrote interesting dialogue, which overcame small budgets and his limitations as a director (limitations he readily admits he has).
By doing what he did he speaks to a lot of potential fans as somebody that lacks respect for those that open doors to young and on the edge film-makers (a mantle he once proudly wore).
Being a bore doesn’t make you edgy or smart. It just makes you obnoxious at best, ridiculous in Smith’s case, and sad at worst.
Right on Ron Beleki and HW You guys understand the way things work and the reality of what Kevin Smith is doing in/for Indie filmmakers! I wish all these peeps with casually cruel comments would go try and make and distro a film…They might gain some appreciation of the difficulty, (but there would probably be a huge pile of undistributed crap films to show for it;)
BRAVO indeed Sir!!
10+ million on P&A for most indie films is the real joke. While I’m not a fan of Smith’s work, he does have an interesting idea if he can self-promote his films to his small but loyal fan base.
Of course the first step is to get all the free publicity he can, which seems to be going pretty well so far.
This could work for someone like Smith, but doesn’t seem easily replicated by most independant film makers.
Well said.
Well that was a douche manuver
I see Nikki isn’t a Kevin Smith fan, thus the spin.
Alot of people are very supportive of the move and wish him well.
I think it was a little tacky, but why throw it all under the bus?
It floors me how one man can be so bitter and angry to the hand that fed him.
Clerks was a good film, but it easily could have went unrecognized and undistributed during its time and never found its cult following. Kevin Smith could very easily be some jackass in Jersey, buried in debt, and unemployed right now because the video store he was working at was closed because of Netflix’s dominance.
How this guy is so ungrateful amazes me. He’s the new Troy Duffy.
Interesting. Not a word about the quality of the movie from anyone involved. Nobody seemed that broken up about not getting a shot at distributing it. Everyone just seemed annoyed that their time was being wasted.
There are a lot of reviews on it, and the consensus is that it’s a terrible, laughable mess.
“There are a lot of reviews on it, and the consensus is that it’s a terrible, laughable mess.”
I can only assume you define consensus as “people who are saying things I want to hear”. From what I’ve read, the film is very divisive. Lots of middling reviews, lots of negative, a handful of positive. “Consensus” indeed…
because the film sucks — it’s as if a typical, hollywood left winger managed to film the paranoid fantasies that exist in his head about people who do not view the world through the EXACT lens as he.
“Oh my god!!! There are poeple who don’t agree with me!!! They must be evil!!! I will make a movie about it with a super-duper clever title!!”
Yeah, smart move, dude. 80% of America doesn’t think like you — and it’s okay. Doversity of thought matters, too.
he’s a hack. always been a hack.
Typical Hollywood left-winger? Smith? Hardly. Throwing in your own lame reactionary analysis into this discussion. Definitely.
You’re right. Smith is a pot addled, conspiracy nut, Democracy Now listening left winger. Hollywood left wingers are more of the Huffington Post reading types.
Are you out of your mind?
The movie is based on Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. Even the most right wing, lunatic, conservative nutjob thinks that motherfucker is crazy.
I live in Kansas, 20 minutes away from the church. Trust me, he is a disgusting human being.
Smith is hardly a left-winger.
Anyone have this on video….PLEEEEEEEASE?
Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90pcHCF2h44
Wish I had seen this in person. Somebody must have video of this. Please post a link. Thx.
Everybody calm down! He is a showman and an artist and good for him. We need more independent thinkers trying new models for selling pictures. I love him and his crazy style!!!!!
wouldn’t this result in a black hole?
I also like Dogma myself…..
This combined with his anti Bruce Willis words last week make me think he’s lost it.
I wonder if he will see backlash on his Red State road tour.
What were his anti Bruce words? I missed that.
he basically said that bruce willis is a narcissistic nightmare of an individual and impossible to work with. i think he’ll probably end up like gibson – a monster of sorts after a lifetime of people enabling whatever he wants.
If you think he’s lost it you have no concept of what losing it is. And Bruce Willis is a dick (probably always was and just has become more so with each passing decade. He’s like Letterman when it comes to thinly veiled contempt for those around him.
I can’t defend his immature, silly Sundance spectacle, let alone the quality of most of his films (A friend mentioned that he actually seems to be worsening as a filmmaker, instead of growing), but the Bruce Willis comments are right on.
He certainly isn’t the first filmmaker to find that Bruce doesn’t care or work very hard on his films, rarely learning lines or committing to any role… he’s just the first to have said it on record. Smith should get credit for that.
Here’s the thing: Kevin Smith isn’t very good at what he does. It’s well known he was a slacker doing nothing with his life who took a shot (kudos!) and maxed out his credit cards (kudos?) to make CLERKS, a poorly directed super low budget film that showcased his writing talents (well, dialogue… well, 90s DIALOGUE) that should have been more overshadowed by Pulp Fiction during the indie film scene explosion, except it was a great story (Smith’s, not the movie) and the raw feel and pop-culture dialogue is what people wanted back then. Folks now count Clerks, Swingers, and Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction as being the front runners of ushering in the Indie Age, but personally I think Clerks is beyond shit. There are some great anecdotes and conversations in there, but otherwise it’s pretty much THAT FILM is all Smith could do outside of comic book shop owning.
As Mike Fleming said, for him to shit on a process that discovered his “talents” and took him from the life he should have been having (a life of sipping slurpees and reading the latest issue of Fantastic Four) is disgraceful and shows how disconnected he is. I mean, nothing Smith has generated has really been worthwhile, and the fact that for a long time he was keeping everything in the same “Universe” was really a cop out (no pun intended, I did not plan to reference “Cop Out” ever except for when discussing awful films and awful directors).
And FYI, Edward Burns avoids the usual indie route because he has a solid fan base and enjoys experimenting with new mediums. But he doesn’t shit on the people who made him.
Back to K. Smith, Chasing Amy had it’s moments (though look, the truth is every Smith character SOUNDS the same. They talk the same, act the same, think the same) and that religious movie was somewhat worthwhile (for it’s topics, not the way it was executed). But then nothing else except for Zack & Miri was good. But Zack & Miri was Smith desperately trying to be relevant and make an Apatow film. AND finally, comic book geeks out there who at least enjoy his love of the medium, Smith’s Superman script that was commissioned in the ’90s also was lame. He makes a big deal about what Jon Peterson asked him to put into the script, but the screenplay itself was just a mess.
Weird, I’m not even a Smith-hater. I just think he happened to make an indie that a million people could, and have made, and it just got lucky. And he got lucky. And I don’t like that he’s shitting on a business model that discovered him.
That’s all. I’m going to go buy a lotto ticket now and hopefully pull a Kevin Smith.
are you kidding me?! zack and miri was a good movie?!!!!! UM. UM. UMMMMMM. Tommy Wiseau could have made a better movie than that pile of dog shit.
Yeah, the only good thing in Zack & Miri was Justin Long, and he was only it the film for 5 min.
It’s your opinion, so I won’t argue except on one point: Distributors don’t “make” people. They might have their part to play, but if just putting a film on as many screens as possible and keeping it there as long as possible is indeed the defining moment of any film, Star Wars Episode I: the Phantom Menace would be hailed by all as the greatest film of all time.
What distributors did with that film nearly killed the exhibition industry in America.
FYI, Ed Burns went the indie route because his films are God awful, too, and he has far less of a base, actually. But Brothers McMullen was his best movie. She’s the one? No Looking Back? Sidewalks of New York? I checked out Purple Violets, and the guy has no nuance, no depth. Nice guy, personable, handsome. Zero talent, just like Smith.
No one chooses to go the route these guys went. You don’t think Ed Burns would rather have his stuff up on 1500 screens, as opposed to opening on an iPod near you?
It’s funny. I never thought of myself as someone who doesn’t like Kevin Smith either. Yet I find myself agreeing with everything you said.
I wish I could max out credit cards and make an average film that gets picked up for distribution, then lose my creative steam in my late 30’s and shit all over the hand that fed me. Instead of thanking them for allowing me to live an extremely comfortable lifestyle instead of being an unemployed jerk living in New Jersey.
Troy Duffy has more creditability in Hollywood now than this guy.
What do you mean, wish?
Go do it already.
On Thursday, producer Jon Gordon lied in a story when asked if self-distribution was even a possibility:
“Hiring longtime specialty exec Dinerstein (whose film marketing consultancy also arranges self-distribution deals), bringing aboard Cinetic Media (which arranged service deals for sale titles like last year’s Banksy doc “Exit Through the Gift Shop”) with co-seller WME, and slapping the word “March” at the end of the teaser trailer has led many to suspect Smith has a self-distribution backup plan should an attractive offer fail to materialize. But is self-distribution or a service deal even an option they’re considering? “No,” says Gordon. “We want to have someone who loves the movie, understands it, knows how to handle it and get the most out of it.” “
From his lack of fiscal comprehension of his “own” industry, it sounds like he’s ready to help sell nationalized healthcare. Make him a Czar!
Insightful remark. Fox News on the tube? Or did you craft that all by your lonesome? It’s amazing how some people (teabaggers) can politicize absolutely everything under the sun.
Time will tell if Smith has imploded. Some of his tactics at Sundance may have come off as brash, but I think his newfound-confidence is a healthy change from his former self-deprecating patter.
Whatever else, Smith deserves some respect for trying to lend a hand in bringing back an independent film middle class.
Oh, yeah. Selling 80 dollar tickets at Radio City Music Hall is bringing back the independent film middle class. His so called “new” distribution model is as old as the hills. It’s like when a celebrity musician goes on a reading tour for a book and sells tickets for 50 bucks. I can’t do that, but Madonna can. Or an author who has a following.
But hey, it’s like they say. A sucker’s born every minute. And if their are enough people who enjoy Smith’s inane pot addled diatribes to get his money back on the film more power to him for picking their pockets.
So go out and build a following, then.
My time was wasted by Kevin Smith too. I have yet to get over the ninety minutes of my life lost to sitting through “Dogma”. Not that I sat through the whole thing – only made it that long wanting to see Salma Hayek. Then had to bail before the end on principle.
But whatever happened to the actor who played the giant piece of excrement? There was a career making role for sure…
Im pretty sure that was Ethan Suplee, so to answer your question, he’s doing just fine.
hey how about all you commentators and bloggers out make a fucking movie and see if it’s high art you all are a bunch of hypocritical bastards
I consider Kubrik’s “2001” pure art. If he held a pitch and invited staff to watch and make him distribution offers, and then after the film said “psyche!” even though the film was a great, true piece of art it still would have been a waste of the time of the people there to buy films.. Worse, for other artists out there who want to get there work seen, it would have stolen eyeballs away and shifted schedules to lower their chances of seeing a buyer in a good mood or at all.
Who knows if Red State is any good (though Variety’s review is a complete thrashing), what we do know for sure is a lot of people had their time wasted.
“Go make your own movie” is the last cry of the desperate and unhinged.
I agree, Amanda – it is sort of like saying that you have to be an actual bull to know bullshit (same applies to arty types sneering at critics of their “art”).
Except that everyone is a critic these days. It is EASY to be a critic. It is hard to create something. And at a certain point you have to wonder about the value of the mob opinions of those who can’t “do” themselves, but stridently opine on what should be done, and what is good.
Though I’m no Kevin Smith fan, he gets far more credit in my book than any number of self-righteous loudmouth internet “critics,” just by virtue of the fact that he has made films that have entertained thousands of people.
@John
No John we are the people who pay to see the product that Smith puts out, so we have EVERY right to complain or say what we like or dont like about the films Smith makes. When he starts making films and showing them for free then you can make the claim that no one has a right to complain.
John? Are you sure this isn’t Kevin? This sounds like the kind of contribution he would make from how the high-handed speech sounded.
I’m curious. If Smith was a woman, gay, black or Muslim?, would you subject them to similar name calling that you’re heaping on Smith. If you want to take issue with his business decision, fine. But personal attacks? Really, isn’t this what people have been going on about since the shooting in Arizona?
He sets himself up for this when he bad mouths everyone he ever worked with who was not on HIS page, and the way he wasted everyones time….for what seems like a total piece of crap!
Irrespective of your position on Smith’s creative worth, deliberately to waste the time of *any* group of people (if the reporting is accurate and the buyers were deliberately led to believe this was a sell meet) is just, well, rude.
I get the desire to break the model and tread your own path etc. etc., but you don’t have to behave like this to make your point.
If it works (i.e. his self-distribution pays off) this will still be just a stunt. And a very un-classy one.
What do personal attacks have to do with a paranoid schizophrenic shooting people in Arizona? That’s like blaming the subzero weather in the Northeast on scathing movie reviews. Should I blame my cracked windshield on the nasty critical reception to Cop Out?
This is the most nakedly desperate defense of a mindless Smith fanboy I’ve ever seen. Bringing up race and Arizona to try to win an argument? Are you insane?
At least the Lebron James spectacle got the Boys and Girls Club 6 Million dollars. This debacle just got the local Taco Bell $38 dollars from a Kevin Smith self-pity food orgy.
Now that was funny.
Well actually it wasn’t just Taco Bell, Kevin Smith is a very charitable person, Look at the posters he has been auctioning off all proceeds have been going to different charities. Maybe not 6 million to one place at one time, but I’m sure he does more than anyone leaving a comment here.
I still can’t understand why people take Smith seriously. This is the guy who said he only knows two camera angles and complained about being jerked about on his superman script which he wrote in only a week( and got paid $250k no less). He needs to fall off the planet the same way his hero Spike Lee has.
May we all fall off the planet and into a lengthy and successful career making whatever movies we want.